1 00:00:09,380 --> 00:00:02,270 you're locked into Inception Radio 2 00:00:16,430 --> 00:00:12,730 your tool in tonight vision radio 3 00:00:19,100 --> 00:00:16,440 exposing the truth one secret at a time 4 00:00:21,590 --> 00:00:19,110 prepare yourself as we explore the 5 00:00:25,250 --> 00:00:21,600 shadow worlds of suppressed history 6 00:00:27,650 --> 00:00:25,260 secret knowledge forbidden religion and 7 00:01:10,480 --> 00:00:27,660 shine a light on the conspiracies to 8 00:01:10,490 --> 00:01:18,690 welcome to night-vision radio 9 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:21,160 hey everybody welcome to night vision 10 00:01:25,630 --> 00:01:23,330 radio happy you could join us this 11 00:01:29,230 --> 00:01:25,640 evening my goodness I'm so terribly 12 00:01:31,930 --> 00:01:29,240 sorry we got off to a late start the 13 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:31,940 technical problems were just out of this 14 00:01:37,150 --> 00:01:34,970 world if I can use that term anyway it 15 00:01:40,810 --> 00:01:37,160 was really a while tonight you know we 16 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:40,820 had a double bill for gas this evening 17 00:01:45,730 --> 00:01:42,729 and we're just having technical issues 18 00:01:49,990 --> 00:01:45,740 getting our UK guests so we're going to 19 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:50,000 go forward with our one witness who is 20 00:01:54,609 --> 00:01:52,130 doing so much work and has done over the 21 00:01:57,790 --> 00:01:54,619 past several years but before we get to 22 00:02:01,060 --> 00:01:57,800 tonight's show I want to remind everyone 23 00:02:04,180 --> 00:02:01,070 to please if you are a music lover or 24 00:02:06,940 --> 00:02:04,190 especially if you are a songwriter or 25 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:06,950 you know a good songwriter our friends 26 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:09,769 over return of the troubadour calm are 27 00:02:16,630 --> 00:02:12,290 having a wonderful songwriting contest 28 00:02:19,740 --> 00:02:16,640 they're looking for a song that uplifts 29 00:02:22,539 --> 00:02:19,750 humanity or uplifts the person and 30 00:02:24,780 --> 00:02:22,549 they're willing to pay for that and the 31 00:02:27,270 --> 00:02:24,790 first prize I know it's an amazing 32 00:02:31,210 --> 00:02:27,280 collection of gold coins valued at 33 00:02:33,670 --> 00:02:31,220 $5,000 so that's not to concede people 34 00:02:36,850 --> 00:02:33,680 anyway we're going to have some you know 35 00:02:38,500 --> 00:02:36,860 celebrity judges on the contest and it's 36 00:02:41,170 --> 00:02:38,510 going to be really great so please go 37 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:41,180 over to return to to voter calm and also 38 00:02:45,220 --> 00:02:43,130 go to return of the troubadour on 39 00:02:46,630 --> 00:02:45,230 Facebook and like them please they're 40 00:02:49,390 --> 00:02:46,640 good people and they're doing good work 41 00:02:52,710 --> 00:02:49,400 they're just trying to promote positive 42 00:02:56,830 --> 00:02:52,720 change in the world now my guest tonight 43 00:03:00,400 --> 00:02:56,840 I was originally going to have on Larry 44 00:03:03,250 --> 00:03:00,410 Warren who's former u.s. airman who was 45 00:03:08,590 --> 00:03:03,260 stationed at Bentwaters Air Force Base 46 00:03:11,770 --> 00:03:08,600 Royal Air Force Base in England in 1980 47 00:03:15,460 --> 00:03:11,780 when some of you may be aware of a very 48 00:03:17,319 --> 00:03:15,470 strange incident that happened over a 49 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:17,329 three-day period of time some very 50 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:20,690 bizarre occurrences including lights and 51 00:03:27,780 --> 00:03:25,010 according to witnesses possibly alien 52 00:03:32,220 --> 00:03:27,790 beings or some sort of beings in 53 00:03:34,199 --> 00:03:32,230 in case and my guess who we were able to 54 00:03:35,789 --> 00:03:34,209 get on tonight John Burroughs has been 55 00:03:38,970 --> 00:03:35,799 at the heart of this issue since the 56 00:03:43,610 --> 00:03:38,980 very beginning he was also an airman at 57 00:03:47,309 --> 00:03:43,620 that time he is today a retired sergeant 58 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:47,319 from the Air Force and he was stationed 59 00:03:52,679 --> 00:03:50,890 at Bentwaters and John thank you so much 60 00:03:56,490 --> 00:03:52,689 for coming I apologize I couldn't have 61 00:03:58,379 --> 00:03:56,500 your cohort on with us tonight thanks 62 00:03:59,670 --> 00:03:58,389 for having me yeah I'm sorry I was on 63 00:04:02,910 --> 00:03:59,680 the line when you guys were trying to 64 00:04:05,759 --> 00:04:02,920 work it out I know it's hard to get 65 00:04:08,220 --> 00:04:05,769 people from the UK and the other thing 66 00:04:11,759 --> 00:04:08,230 is is that this a new world as far as 67 00:04:14,550 --> 00:04:11,769 communications and Skype is it's well 68 00:04:16,409 --> 00:04:14,560 it's really odd because you know I mean 69 00:04:20,610 --> 00:04:16,419 I don't want to get conspiracy minded 70 00:04:22,830 --> 00:04:20,620 here you know I'm not generally but just 71 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:22,840 the problems that were occurring as it 72 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:24,370 was we were trying to reason they seemed 73 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:27,490 really bizarre even to the plane of my 74 00:04:31,830 --> 00:04:31,090 skype what's messing up and I couldn't 75 00:04:33,899 --> 00:04:31,840 reboot it 76 00:04:35,670 --> 00:04:33,909 so that's never happened I've been on 77 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:35,680 skype all day I was talking to a good 78 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:38,050 friend of mine in France this afternoon 79 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:41,289 and it was just absolutely fine and when 80 00:04:45,750 --> 00:04:42,849 I kept trying to pull it up I just kept 81 00:04:47,820 --> 00:04:45,760 getting a black screen and it's a you 82 00:04:50,370 --> 00:04:47,830 know could not launch so I don't know 83 00:04:53,070 --> 00:04:50,380 what what's going on there but maybe 84 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:53,080 that's a coincidence then anyway it was 85 00:04:59,930 --> 00:04:57,250 an odd one but John for people that 86 00:05:02,969 --> 00:04:59,940 don't really know about the incident 87 00:05:06,300 --> 00:05:02,979 which may be quite a few know I mean I 88 00:05:08,460 --> 00:05:06,310 remember shortly after it happened 89 00:05:11,820 --> 00:05:08,470 hearing about it I was working at UFO 90 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:11,830 magazine so naturally we were covering 91 00:05:16,170 --> 00:05:13,210 the story and that was my first 92 00:05:19,770 --> 00:05:16,180 encounter with Larry Warren which is 93 00:05:22,649 --> 00:05:19,780 that was already back in the early 90s 94 00:05:25,770 --> 00:05:22,659 maybe around 1990 so that had been 10 95 00:05:29,339 --> 00:05:25,780 years on but he was in Southern 96 00:05:31,339 --> 00:05:29,349 California at the time and I've always 97 00:05:33,020 --> 00:05:31,349 thought that it was the most amazing 98 00:05:36,930 --> 00:05:33,030 taste 99 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:36,940 mostly because well certainly because 100 00:05:41,670 --> 00:05:39,849 what happened but mostly because of the 101 00:05:45,090 --> 00:05:41,680 witnesses that were there who 102 00:05:48,150 --> 00:05:45,100 all servicemen it was a security detail 103 00:05:51,390 --> 00:05:48,160 I mean these you would think would be 104 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:51,400 sort of trained observers it wasn't like 105 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:53,530 a bunch of guys out you know drinking 106 00:05:59,430 --> 00:05:55,570 again Asst you know in the field and 107 00:06:02,580 --> 00:05:59,440 seeing some white in the sky was it well 108 00:06:04,710 --> 00:06:02,590 no I mean we were the first night one 109 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:04,720 the very first night we took happened 110 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:07,090 yeah we were on duty and no we weren't 111 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:09,610 drinking smoking or anything else it was 112 00:06:15,779 --> 00:06:12,330 about halfway through the shift so yeah 113 00:06:17,159 --> 00:06:15,789 I've always said it's interesting in 114 00:06:19,589 --> 00:06:17,169 fact I've talked about I just came back 115 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:19,599 from the UK is yeah we have more 116 00:06:24,540 --> 00:06:21,970 training than the everyday guy working 117 00:06:26,490 --> 00:06:24,550 on the street but at the same time we 118 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:26,500 weren't really trained you know we 119 00:06:29,460 --> 00:06:27,970 didn't have training and how to deal 120 00:06:32,010 --> 00:06:29,470 with what happened to us and what I mean 121 00:06:34,110 --> 00:06:32,020 by that is the experience we had was 122 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:34,120 something that you don't deal with on a 123 00:06:42,930 --> 00:06:36,370 day-to-day basis even in security or law 124 00:06:47,159 --> 00:06:42,940 enforcement mm-hmm and can you just talk 125 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:47,169 a little bit about what it was that that 126 00:06:54,659 --> 00:06:50,289 did occur I mean I know it started with 127 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:54,669 with lights in the forest well okay yeah 128 00:06:59,790 --> 00:06:57,849 sure I'll go to it I didn't know how it 129 00:07:02,490 --> 00:06:59,800 started was about we came on duty 130 00:07:05,370 --> 00:07:02,500 Christmas night right before midnight so 131 00:07:08,100 --> 00:07:05,380 early in the hours of the 26th was his 132 00:07:10,100 --> 00:07:08,110 Boxing Day over there around 3 o'clock I 133 00:07:15,300 --> 00:07:10,110 was riding with my partner but Stefan's 134 00:07:18,180 --> 00:07:15,310 doing a perimeter check when when he saw 135 00:07:21,390 --> 00:07:18,190 it first and he later said to certain 136 00:07:23,939 --> 00:07:21,400 Penniston that it it landed it didn't 137 00:07:26,610 --> 00:07:23,949 crash that's in the book but but 138 00:07:28,770 --> 00:07:26,620 basically he saw something strange you 139 00:07:30,659 --> 00:07:28,780 know that was in the forest or coming 140 00:07:33,089 --> 00:07:30,669 into the forest I didn't see it actually 141 00:07:34,950 --> 00:07:33,099 when it first came in what he did when 142 00:07:37,620 --> 00:07:34,960 he got my attention I look forward I saw 143 00:07:40,050 --> 00:07:37,630 some strange lights in the forest from 144 00:07:41,700 --> 00:07:40,060 there what we did was we debated a 145 00:07:44,100 --> 00:07:41,710 little bit about what we wanted to do 146 00:07:47,129 --> 00:07:44,110 but it was close enough to the base that 147 00:07:49,499 --> 00:07:47,139 we thought we better check it out so we 148 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:49,509 eventually departed the back gate at 149 00:07:54,330 --> 00:07:52,090 Eastgate down the service road that led 150 00:07:55,250 --> 00:07:54,340 back to Bentwaters I got out of the 151 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:55,260 vehicle when I got 152 00:07:58,850 --> 00:07:56,970 things just didn't seem right to include 153 00:08:01,370 --> 00:07:58,860 there was like static electricity air 154 00:08:03,860 --> 00:08:01,380 and it was close enough to the edge of 155 00:08:05,540 --> 00:08:03,870 the forest itself that we decided we 156 00:08:08,390 --> 00:08:05,550 better get back up to they get caught in 157 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:08,400 called it in they sent down the security 158 00:08:14,300 --> 00:08:10,410 supervisor to check it out also 159 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:14,310 he saw the strange lights and from there 160 00:08:19,190 --> 00:08:16,770 contacted CSC and updated him on what 161 00:08:21,590 --> 00:08:19,200 was going on a decision was made to send 162 00:08:23,990 --> 00:08:21,600 three of us into the forest himself his 163 00:08:26,450 --> 00:08:24,000 writer and me we departed the base 164 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:26,460 leaving our weapons with Sergeant 165 00:08:34,430 --> 00:08:28,490 Stefan's the other law enforcement role 166 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:34,440 we got out into the forest we got out 167 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:39,090 into the forest and and then we we went 168 00:08:45,110 --> 00:08:43,169 as far as we could actually and as we we 169 00:08:47,450 --> 00:08:45,120 got stopped in the vehicle we had to 170 00:08:50,030 --> 00:08:47,460 exit it we started going into forest 171 00:08:52,670 --> 00:08:50,040 towards whatever it was we finally got 172 00:08:54,620 --> 00:08:52,680 close enough to it did as we got came up 173 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:54,630 over this berm down into an opening in 174 00:09:00,080 --> 00:08:57,810 the forest um the whole forest area lit 175 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:00,090 up I hit the ground along with our 176 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:03,330 Penniston and airman Caban sac um so our 177 00:09:08,450 --> 00:09:06,210 person was the closest to it and this is 178 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:08,460 where we differ as far as what went on 179 00:09:11,750 --> 00:09:10,530 all I remember was the area getting 180 00:09:14,900 --> 00:09:11,760 really bright a bright white light 181 00:09:17,270 --> 00:09:14,910 hitting the area and then it seemed to 182 00:09:19,010 --> 00:09:17,280 dim down whatever it was lifted up into 183 00:09:21,230 --> 00:09:19,020 the sky and departed out towards the 184 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:21,240 coast so iron Penniston obviously has 185 00:09:24,590 --> 00:09:23,130 gone into the fact that why all this was 186 00:09:28,250 --> 00:09:24,600 going on he was able to get up walk 187 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:28,260 around it um stamp pictures of it he 188 00:09:32,030 --> 00:09:29,610 actually touched it it had a binary 189 00:09:34,310 --> 00:09:32,040 download he's even said as far as he 190 00:09:36,380 --> 00:09:34,320 tried to move it and then after that the 191 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:36,390 light the lights had dimmed it during 192 00:09:40,010 --> 00:09:37,770 that point and it went up through the 193 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:40,020 trees and departed out to the area we 194 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:41,970 did pursue it a little bit further into 195 00:09:45,470 --> 00:09:43,890 the field actually when I just resolved 196 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:45,480 I reconfirmed it was about five miles 197 00:09:56,510 --> 00:09:48,330 before we did we were called back to the 198 00:09:58,130 --> 00:09:56,520 base hmm now you said you know you each 199 00:10:00,080 --> 00:09:58,140 had different experiences well I mean I 200 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:00,090 think that's always the case isn't it 201 00:10:06,020 --> 00:10:03,930 you know and I witness eyewitnesses to 202 00:10:08,450 --> 00:10:06,030 an event some people see some things 203 00:10:09,410 --> 00:10:08,460 other people see other things but do you 204 00:10:12,380 --> 00:10:09,420 think that 205 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:12,390 it was meant to be a different 206 00:10:16,910 --> 00:10:15,210 experience for each person or do you 207 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:16,920 think some people have sort of 208 00:10:29,390 --> 00:10:20,370 embellished on on what occurred I mean I 209 00:10:30,890 --> 00:10:29,400 don't I don't know the thing is is that 210 00:10:32,780 --> 00:10:30,900 I've done a lot of research over the 211 00:10:34,310 --> 00:10:32,790 last few years and there's some 212 00:10:36,950 --> 00:10:34,320 declassified documents that would 213 00:10:39,410 --> 00:10:36,960 explain why we chat different 214 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:39,420 experiences you know not just three of 215 00:10:44,420 --> 00:10:40,890 us the first night but through the whole 216 00:10:47,150 --> 00:10:44,430 event you know it's uh it has to do with 217 00:10:48,620 --> 00:10:47,160 it's basically in the mo D documents 218 00:10:51,170 --> 00:10:48,630 that we're dealing with a phenomena 219 00:10:54,230 --> 00:10:51,180 disabled to affect how you see it and 220 00:10:56,870 --> 00:10:54,240 everything else so no I don't think 221 00:10:58,790 --> 00:10:56,880 anybody's embellished I think they've 222 00:11:04,270 --> 00:10:58,800 done the best that they can to explain 223 00:11:11,810 --> 00:11:09,590 well so and do you think that people 224 00:11:14,750 --> 00:11:11,820 were experiencing different feelings 225 00:11:16,610 --> 00:11:14,760 different sensations actually seeing 226 00:11:18,950 --> 00:11:16,620 different things or will you all pretty 227 00:11:21,260 --> 00:11:18,960 much seeing the same thing but then the 228 00:11:23,090 --> 00:11:21,270 experience change because like it's like 229 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:23,100 you know Penniston did go up and touch 230 00:11:31,970 --> 00:11:29,970 it so that well I mean no I it's it's 231 00:11:34,730 --> 00:11:31,980 it's in these documents that when you 232 00:11:36,530 --> 00:11:34,740 get close to this it can affect or you 233 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:36,540 know it affects you not only in memory 234 00:11:41,060 --> 00:11:39,330 or in time I mean everything else it's 235 00:11:49,070 --> 00:11:41,070 in these you know declassified documents 236 00:11:50,570 --> 00:11:49,080 in part secondo I'm sorry I mean you 237 00:11:53,270 --> 00:11:50,580 know a lot of people said well stories 238 00:11:55,310 --> 00:11:53,280 have changed well I mean there's little 239 00:11:56,390 --> 00:11:55,320 factors that you can say that people 240 00:11:58,070 --> 00:11:56,400 have said differently in different 241 00:12:01,430 --> 00:11:58,080 interviews and stuff I'm not arguing 242 00:12:03,260 --> 00:12:01,440 that but ultimately um there's a lot of 243 00:12:05,540 --> 00:12:03,270 people not only in the first night but 244 00:12:07,220 --> 00:12:05,550 the third night that have actually 245 00:12:08,510 --> 00:12:07,230 different memories and perceptions of 246 00:12:11,540 --> 00:12:08,520 what they saw and what they dealt with 247 00:12:13,940 --> 00:12:11,550 and by all means that's one of the 248 00:12:15,980 --> 00:12:13,950 things that I caught on to and have been 249 00:12:17,990 --> 00:12:15,990 working on and that's why I think it's 250 00:12:19,970 --> 00:12:18,000 important hopefully someday we can all 251 00:12:22,970 --> 00:12:19,980 sit down together and go over it because 252 00:12:24,410 --> 00:12:22,980 I think if you go into the papers and it 253 00:12:25,730 --> 00:12:24,420 thing else will start making better 254 00:12:28,340 --> 00:12:25,740 sense of it I don't know if it'll ever 255 00:12:31,220 --> 00:12:28,350 happen - probably won't but I mean 256 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:31,230 everyone over the years like I said a 257 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:32,850 lot of different people saw the same 258 00:12:37,810 --> 00:12:36,170 thing that they perceived a different 259 00:12:41,660 --> 00:12:37,820 Dandan 260 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:41,670 now when you describe what happened that 261 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:45,810 was the first night right yes and this 262 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:50,010 happened over a 3:9 period what was 263 00:12:55,819 --> 00:12:54,810 going on during the day I mean we worked 264 00:13:01,340 --> 00:12:55,829 midnight shift 265 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:01,350 when we got off after I went to bed I 266 00:13:05,660 --> 00:13:03,810 went back up there I did go back up to 267 00:13:07,879 --> 00:13:05,670 Saturday morning found out something at 268 00:13:09,319 --> 00:13:07,889 Friday night and then we all went out in 269 00:13:11,150 --> 00:13:09,329 the woods there's me and two other guys 270 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:11,160 went out in the woods Saturday night to 271 00:13:14,990 --> 00:13:13,050 try and figure out good a better idea 272 00:13:16,610 --> 00:13:15,000 what was going on and that event on the 273 00:13:18,620 --> 00:13:16,620 third night had already started so I 274 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:18,630 have no idea what went on during the day 275 00:13:22,850 --> 00:13:20,490 on Friday overall Sattar your study 276 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:22,860 other than I know through reports after 277 00:13:25,430 --> 00:13:23,970 we went out there they brought the 278 00:13:27,500 --> 00:13:25,440 British police out they look around in 279 00:13:28,939 --> 00:13:27,510 the area and there's no doubt because of 280 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:28,949 what was going on they were they were 281 00:13:34,129 --> 00:13:30,810 looking at this further but I can't say 282 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:34,139 exactly how what took place now if this 283 00:13:40,519 --> 00:13:38,010 was investigated by the US military I 284 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:40,529 would imagine and by the British 285 00:13:48,590 --> 00:13:45,810 military and also by the local points 286 00:13:51,110 --> 00:13:48,600 right well yeah the police were called 287 00:13:52,910 --> 00:13:51,120 out right after why we were out there on 288 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:52,920 the first night they showed up as it was 289 00:13:57,920 --> 00:13:54,690 ending and then they were called back 290 00:14:00,170 --> 00:13:57,930 out later on Friday morning but as far 291 00:14:02,150 --> 00:14:00,180 as what their involvement was after that 292 00:14:03,889 --> 00:14:02,160 like I said I if the third that when I 293 00:14:06,110 --> 00:14:03,899 went out there that Saturday night into 294 00:14:07,910 --> 00:14:06,120 Sunday morning I was off-duty and I had 295 00:14:10,100 --> 00:14:07,920 no idea what was taking place was taking 296 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:10,110 place until I got out there so I have no 297 00:14:14,329 --> 00:14:11,970 idea the long gistic behind who was 298 00:14:15,620 --> 00:14:14,339 exactly there I know we were out there 299 00:14:17,540 --> 00:14:15,630 but there may have been some other 300 00:14:19,370 --> 00:14:17,550 people also involved to a matter of 301 00:14:21,079 --> 00:14:19,380 factors reports from locals to say the 302 00:14:22,790 --> 00:14:21,089 British police had some roads blocked 303 00:14:27,129 --> 00:14:22,800 off and everything else but I wasn't 304 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:27,139 privy to seeing any of that mm-hmm and 305 00:14:36,230 --> 00:14:32,010 after that first night you know how did 306 00:14:38,630 --> 00:14:36,240 you feel the next day well I mean 307 00:14:40,670 --> 00:14:38,640 it's point on I mean it didn't seem 308 00:14:42,980 --> 00:14:40,680 right in it was something I had never 309 00:14:45,199 --> 00:14:42,990 seen before or like I said a few minutes 310 00:14:48,079 --> 00:14:45,209 ago I was like yeah we may have training 311 00:14:49,610 --> 00:14:48,089 but it wasn't like it wasn't like that 312 00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:49,620 kind of training as far as dealing with 313 00:14:57,290 --> 00:14:54,320 something that bizarre like oh so I mean 314 00:15:00,800 --> 00:14:57,300 so I mean I I couldn't explain it 315 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:00,810 I mean flat-out couldn't explain it knew 316 00:15:04,550 --> 00:15:02,850 that we knew we had a problem going back 317 00:15:06,860 --> 00:15:04,560 because we were on the force for a 318 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:06,870 couple hours and at one point they lost 319 00:15:12,110 --> 00:15:09,570 contact with this for approximately 45 320 00:15:13,490 --> 00:15:12,120 minutes or longer so we were gonna have 321 00:15:15,350 --> 00:15:13,500 to do some explaining and we just 322 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:15,360 couldn't we didn't have the answers we 323 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:17,730 just saw something strange didn't know 324 00:15:22,370 --> 00:15:20,730 how to deal with it and didn't really 325 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:22,380 want to deal with it and at least I did 326 00:15:27,139 --> 00:15:24,570 and I I you know like I said I was young 327 00:15:28,610 --> 00:15:27,149 kid that was enjoying life and this was 328 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:28,620 something I wasn't expecting to have 329 00:15:32,750 --> 00:15:30,810 happen and there was really no logical 330 00:15:34,970 --> 00:15:32,760 answer for what I saw what we were 331 00:15:36,590 --> 00:15:34,980 dealing with and and then the times in 332 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:36,600 the military you know this kind of stuff 333 00:15:40,430 --> 00:15:38,250 wasn't a good thing anyway because I 334 00:15:42,889 --> 00:15:40,440 mean it was already you don't explain 335 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:42,899 which led to UFOs stories coming out and 336 00:15:46,310 --> 00:15:44,490 stuff and when you can't come in and 337 00:15:48,139 --> 00:15:46,320 explain what happened it just doesn't 338 00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:48,149 you know doesn't bounce well you know 339 00:15:52,699 --> 00:15:50,160 period for anything that's going on 340 00:15:57,079 --> 00:15:52,709 no there were there were nuclear 341 00:15:59,090 --> 00:15:57,089 missiles on that base Ryder III will go 342 00:16:03,319 --> 00:15:59,100 into what the ordinates were the base oh 343 00:16:07,370 --> 00:16:03,329 I see are you still under some kind of 344 00:16:10,340 --> 00:16:07,380 directives confidentiality well all I 345 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:10,350 can tell you about it answer it this way 346 00:16:16,130 --> 00:16:13,290 there are certain things no matter where 347 00:16:18,620 --> 00:16:16,140 you're located at that you're not 348 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:18,630 supposed to talk about so and that 349 00:16:22,310 --> 00:16:20,490 doesn't end you know just because you 350 00:16:25,100 --> 00:16:22,320 leave the base so you do sign paperwork 351 00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:25,110 and you it's called national security 352 00:16:32,030 --> 00:16:28,079 and you have to follow those rules there 353 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:32,040 are tones isn't that base now gone yeah 354 00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:35,730 the business it's not there anymore so 355 00:16:40,730 --> 00:16:37,440 in being as a matter of national 356 00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:40,740 security or would it be still I mean 357 00:16:45,140 --> 00:16:42,480 national security covers a broad 358 00:16:47,660 --> 00:16:45,150 spectrum of things but ultimately they 359 00:16:49,730 --> 00:16:47,670 when you're at a base if there's a 360 00:16:51,530 --> 00:16:49,740 directive put down on a certain 361 00:16:53,750 --> 00:16:51,540 things involving that base no matter 362 00:16:55,610 --> 00:16:53,760 where the closes are not later until 363 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:55,620 whatever is going on there's 364 00:17:01,280 --> 00:16:57,570 Declassified you're not allowed to talk 365 00:17:02,780 --> 00:17:01,290 about I understand like my son was in 366 00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:02,790 the Air Force for ten years and he 367 00:17:08,750 --> 00:17:05,370 worked in a vault inside a vault and I 368 00:17:15,020 --> 00:17:08,760 still don't know what he did so I I 369 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:15,030 totally get it but no okay so you you 370 00:17:20,330 --> 00:17:18,090 went out in and you're working at night 371 00:17:23,210 --> 00:17:20,340 obviously this all happened and at night 372 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:23,220 you went back eventually did you get 373 00:17:28,090 --> 00:17:25,890 some sleep after the perk first incident 374 00:17:31,130 --> 00:17:28,100 or were you just completely 375 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:31,140 discombobulated no I was available to 376 00:17:35,300 --> 00:17:33,330 eventually fall asleep I mean it was the 377 00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:35,310 first day of break you know we do you 378 00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:36,720 know sometimes I stayed up sometimes I 379 00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:37,440 went to sleep 380 00:17:41,180 --> 00:17:39,360 I stayed up for a while and stuff and 381 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:41,190 then later on the afternoon I went sleep 382 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:43,410 and I slept through early in the morning 383 00:17:51,530 --> 00:17:48,570 on Saturday and then you got up and you 384 00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:51,540 were back on duty again no I was off 385 00:17:57,350 --> 00:17:54,960 duty I went up to the morning just got 386 00:17:59,120 --> 00:17:57,360 up and went up to the base and I went up 387 00:18:01,220 --> 00:17:59,130 to the desk when I got up on the base 388 00:18:03,020 --> 00:18:01,230 and the guy told me did something 389 00:18:05,180 --> 00:18:03,030 strange happen the next night you know 390 00:18:07,550 --> 00:18:05,190 Friday night Saturday morning you know 391 00:18:09,500 --> 00:18:07,560 he was kind of joking around me and at 392 00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:09,510 that point I was like a kid mean I took 393 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:11,910 a look at the report he briefed me kind 394 00:18:15,410 --> 00:18:13,290 of what was going on you know talking 395 00:18:18,650 --> 00:18:15,420 gave me an idea what happened and that 396 00:18:20,060 --> 00:18:18,660 was when I really was like wow I mean we 397 00:18:23,060 --> 00:18:20,070 went back out there Friday morning we 398 00:18:25,820 --> 00:18:23,070 saw some damage to the area so it was 399 00:18:28,250 --> 00:18:25,830 like it went from what I saw which was 400 00:18:29,930 --> 00:18:28,260 just light - there have been some damage 401 00:18:33,260 --> 00:18:29,940 and then you hear some more stuff went 402 00:18:35,060 --> 00:18:33,270 on now you was even more intrigued in I 403 00:18:36,350 --> 00:18:35,070 said well I went over to the dorm and I 404 00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:36,360 found a couple of my friends I was 405 00:18:40,550 --> 00:18:38,400 working with and I told him what 406 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:40,560 happened and we decided ourselves not 407 00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:43,050 knowing something else happen again to 408 00:18:46,220 --> 00:18:44,880 go ahead and go out and try to get an 409 00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:46,230 idea what we were dealing with 410 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:48,000 I mean Colonel Hall likes to say when he 411 00:18:51,650 --> 00:18:50,010 went out there to bunk it I wasn't going 412 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:51,660 out through the bunk anything I was just 413 00:18:55,190 --> 00:18:53,370 going to go out try to make some sense 414 00:18:56,930 --> 00:18:55,200 of what was going on you know what had 415 00:18:58,850 --> 00:18:56,940 happened to us the first night then it 416 00:19:00,200 --> 00:18:58,860 happened again which you know normally 417 00:19:02,250 --> 00:19:00,210 doesn't happen you don't have strange 418 00:19:06,300 --> 00:19:02,260 occurrences two nights or let alone 419 00:19:08,550 --> 00:19:06,310 three exactly now I mean the reason I 420 00:19:11,090 --> 00:19:08,560 was actually asking about the missiles 421 00:19:13,710 --> 00:19:11,100 was because now I don't know if this was 422 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:13,720 true or something that was just going 423 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:17,010 around at the time but I can remember 424 00:19:23,970 --> 00:19:20,650 hearing that the some of those things 425 00:19:26,130 --> 00:19:23,980 had been disabled by whatever they felt 426 00:19:29,670 --> 00:19:26,140 by whatever this experience was or 427 00:19:31,110 --> 00:19:29,680 doesn't that was well I mean there has 428 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:31,120 been stuff put out I mean Robert 429 00:19:35,790 --> 00:19:33,130 Hastings does a lot of work on the 430 00:19:38,850 --> 00:19:35,800 connection with UFOs and nuclear weapons 431 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:38,860 and he's supposedly uncovered some 432 00:19:43,980 --> 00:19:40,930 officer that wouldn't give his name but 433 00:19:45,390 --> 00:19:43,990 said that there was some kind of 434 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:45,400 activity that took place with the 435 00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:47,490 ordinance which caused some problems 436 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:49,600 Colonel Hall is going to step further 437 00:19:53,100 --> 00:19:51,010 and said he talked to that guy named 438 00:19:55,530 --> 00:19:53,110 believes him Colonel Hall it's also at 439 00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:55,540 different times mentioned I think he did 440 00:19:59,520 --> 00:19:57,760 a Hastings conference that something 441 00:20:02,490 --> 00:19:59,530 beamed down into the weapons storage 442 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:02,500 area and it cost versa FEX on the 443 00:20:07,950 --> 00:20:05,110 ordinance there but I mean as far as 444 00:20:10,650 --> 00:20:07,960 that goes I have no direct knowledge of 445 00:20:12,330 --> 00:20:10,660 what did or didn't happen as far as if 446 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:12,340 anything did directly happen to your 447 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:14,410 soar now I'm just basing it on here 448 00:20:21,150 --> 00:20:15,690 saying what I was told 449 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:21,160 yeah and okay so you go out there ii the 450 00:20:25,410 --> 00:20:23,650 day after the first incident in your you 451 00:20:28,620 --> 00:20:25,420 see some damage done you see some 452 00:20:30,780 --> 00:20:28,630 evidence that something did occur out 453 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:30,790 there in the forest and the forest where 454 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:34,330 this occurred was actually adjacent to 455 00:20:45,780 --> 00:20:36,610 the base right it wasn't on the base it 456 00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:45,790 was but public land the British 457 00:20:50,790 --> 00:20:47,760 government 458 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:50,800 now I'm not sure I believe it still was 459 00:20:54,330 --> 00:20:52,570 it belonged to the forest division back 460 00:20:56,970 --> 00:20:54,340 then but I don't want to say it didn't 461 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:56,980 it did but basically it would have been 462 00:21:00,480 --> 00:20:57,850 British land 463 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:00,490 yes public you know federal I we say 464 00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:02,290 federal but you know belonging to their 465 00:21:07,170 --> 00:21:04,960 government is one of the to one of the 466 00:21:09,330 --> 00:21:07,180 two things that yeah we were off base 467 00:21:11,010 --> 00:21:09,340 and that's one of the points we never 468 00:21:13,140 --> 00:21:11,020 would have been allowed to go off in the 469 00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:13,150 first place on the first night because 470 00:21:18,060 --> 00:21:16,000 it was still op AIDS except for the fact 471 00:21:19,980 --> 00:21:18,070 I didn't bring up was the fact that 472 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:19,990 during all the conversations going back 473 00:21:24,120 --> 00:21:21,850 forth on how to deal with it reported 474 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:24,130 and everything they actually checked in 475 00:21:27,330 --> 00:21:25,570 with radar and they got a couple 476 00:21:30,750 --> 00:21:27,340 confirmations from a couple different 477 00:21:32,700 --> 00:21:30,760 things that they saw something red or 478 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:32,710 disappear just outside our perimeter in 479 00:21:39,030 --> 00:21:36,490 the forest so after some consultation to 480 00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:39,040 shift commander made the call to send us 481 00:21:43,470 --> 00:21:41,440 out into the forest to see if you know 482 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:43,480 an airplane or something crashed because 483 00:21:47,820 --> 00:21:46,090 it was lost on radar otherwise we never 484 00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,830 would have loved the base there was not 485 00:21:50,940 --> 00:21:49,360 a direct threat at that moment to the 486 00:21:52,260 --> 00:21:50,950 base but the fact that something may 487 00:21:55,370 --> 00:21:52,270 have crashed is the reason why we were 488 00:21:57,150 --> 00:21:55,380 allowed to go out and investigate hmm 489 00:22:01,620 --> 00:21:57,160 interesting 490 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:01,630 and then okay so the second night you 491 00:22:06,330 --> 00:22:02,970 stayed on base 492 00:22:08,100 --> 00:22:06,340 no I what I did was okay I'll split it 493 00:22:10,020 --> 00:22:08,110 up the first night we came on duty on 494 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:10,030 the 25th the incident happened in early 495 00:22:14,670 --> 00:22:12,850 in the morning at 26 the second night we 496 00:22:16,140 --> 00:22:14,680 went on break Friday morning after that 497 00:22:18,090 --> 00:22:16,150 we were off Friday Saturday and Sunday 498 00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:18,100 the second night the shift that was on 499 00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:19,840 swing shift the night we were on meds 500 00:22:24,330 --> 00:22:22,480 took over mids well they had an incident 501 00:22:26,670 --> 00:22:24,340 where they saw strange lights from what 502 00:22:28,860 --> 00:22:26,680 I was told the shift commander and the 503 00:22:30,180 --> 00:22:28,870 on duty flights you start bottling or 504 00:22:32,490 --> 00:22:30,190 going back up during the third night 505 00:22:34,380 --> 00:22:32,500 also went out to investigate at one 506 00:22:36,450 --> 00:22:34,390 point there were some blue lights that 507 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:36,460 they were observing one of them went 508 00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:37,570 through the vehicle the shift commander 509 00:22:42,420 --> 00:22:40,480 was in shut off to shut the vehicle down 510 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:42,430 which freaked her out you know upset her 511 00:22:48,330 --> 00:22:44,650 and she went home she was caught what's 512 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:48,340 called word leave to duty she she went 513 00:22:50,940 --> 00:22:49,810 off duty the rest of the night I wasn't 514 00:22:52,110 --> 00:22:50,950 on duty the next night because she 515 00:22:54,270 --> 00:22:52,120 should have been out there on the next 516 00:22:56,430 --> 00:22:54,280 night and there's some people that have 517 00:22:58,590 --> 00:22:56,440 confirmed this besides what I heard that 518 00:22:59,970 --> 00:22:58,600 they were on duty that night and they 519 00:23:01,650 --> 00:22:59,980 actually heard you shift commander out 520 00:23:03,390 --> 00:23:01,660 there act you know on the radio I can 521 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:03,400 scare there's been an investigation of 522 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:05,410 that so I was the second night the third 523 00:23:10,830 --> 00:23:08,050 night was on Saturday night going into 524 00:23:12,450 --> 00:23:10,840 Sunday morning and there was already a 525 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:12,460 couple people out there so our nevels 526 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:14,290 and the lieutenant England we're already 527 00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:17,770 out there snooping around and of her 528 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:19,840 Colonel Conrad to voice our nevels tells 529 00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:22,330 it and then more life showed up they 530 00:23:27,630 --> 00:23:24,880 came back onto the base notified there's 531 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:27,640 a wing party going on notified them 532 00:23:31,230 --> 00:23:29,650 commander the base commander and the 533 00:23:33,450 --> 00:23:31,240 Wing Commander did something was going 534 00:23:34,860 --> 00:23:33,460 on again colonel how it was picked and 535 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:34,870 he picked a few people to go out into 536 00:23:37,980 --> 00:23:35,530 the forest 537 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:37,990 Colonel halts word was words are he was 538 00:23:42,330 --> 00:23:40,570 out there to debunk it so he went out 539 00:23:43,770 --> 00:23:42,340 there but after he was finished it 540 00:23:50,750 --> 00:23:43,780 changed his whole world of reality 541 00:23:53,550 --> 00:23:50,760 according to him so well now at the time 542 00:23:56,430 --> 00:23:53,560 there are a lot of people a lot of 543 00:24:00,330 --> 00:23:56,440 airmen you know a good number of people 544 00:24:03,870 --> 00:24:00,340 who were witnessing this and did they 545 00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:03,880 all talk at the time or was there 546 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:06,880 already you know with the lid already 547 00:24:12,810 --> 00:24:09,850 being put down on this thing were you 548 00:24:16,350 --> 00:24:12,820 told not to say anything or were you 549 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:16,360 asked what you saw well for as far as it 550 00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:19,690 went with me I mean we when we when we 551 00:24:23,820 --> 00:24:21,760 when we went up in size shift commander 552 00:24:25,290 --> 00:24:23,830 right afterwards he's told us that 553 00:24:27,290 --> 00:24:25,300 Friday morning we probably have to write 554 00:24:30,210 --> 00:24:27,300 something down but we went on break um 555 00:24:32,340 --> 00:24:30,220 Monday I was informed to write a 556 00:24:34,260 --> 00:24:32,350 statement which I did and sorry 557 00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:34,270 Penniston and airman commands tech also 558 00:24:40,050 --> 00:24:38,110 wrote some I think the the flight chief 559 00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:40,060 our security flight chief and shift 560 00:24:44,730 --> 00:24:42,130 commander wrote statements each on the 561 00:24:47,730 --> 00:24:44,740 incident because they had to justify why 562 00:24:50,190 --> 00:24:47,740 we left the base so you know over the 563 00:24:51,570 --> 00:24:50,200 years I'm not sure how many other people 564 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:51,580 wrote statements there's been different 565 00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:53,890 people saying they did I didn't see him 566 00:24:57,780 --> 00:24:55,600 I didn't say they did but those haven't 567 00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,790 seen the light of day the ones who saw 568 00:25:00,350 --> 00:24:59,440 the light of day were the shift 569 00:25:04,050 --> 00:25:00,360 commanders 570 00:25:05,340 --> 00:25:04,060 and the security flight chief myself 571 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:05,350 said I'm Penniston and airman command 572 00:25:10,860 --> 00:25:08,290 Zak um I I know for a fact what I 573 00:25:12,930 --> 00:25:10,870 remember was going in rudder statements 574 00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:12,940 saw Colonel Hall went into Colonel 575 00:25:17,940 --> 00:25:15,520 Conrad's eventually ended up in general 576 00:25:20,130 --> 00:25:17,950 or Colonel Williams office handed a 577 00:25:24,180 --> 00:25:20,140 statements over started Penniston did a 578 00:25:26,220 --> 00:25:24,190 basic he told each level he was on doing 579 00:25:27,870 --> 00:25:26,230 the talking he was a guy that was in 580 00:25:29,910 --> 00:25:27,880 charge of his Staff Sergeant we were 581 00:25:31,890 --> 00:25:29,920 just Airmen and we were happy to let him 582 00:25:33,150 --> 00:25:31,900 do that that story protocol was anyway 583 00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:33,160 and 584 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:35,200 but there's been different people you 585 00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:36,970 know that said they were brought in and 586 00:25:41,710 --> 00:25:39,710 you know interrogated 587 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:41,720 so I'm Penniston under hypnosis brings 588 00:25:45,940 --> 00:25:43,970 it up so there was a definitely 589 00:25:47,860 --> 00:25:45,950 investigation went on afterwards and 590 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:47,870 there's no doubt it peers some people 591 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:49,850 we're interrogating to do including 592 00:25:55,180 --> 00:25:52,490 possible sodium pentathol Ameth all were 593 00:26:02,310 --> 00:25:55,190 used to try to uncover what happened to 594 00:26:05,620 --> 00:26:02,320 us well and okay so we're we're now 595 00:26:10,150 --> 00:26:05,630 after the second night you must have 596 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:10,160 surely just totally have been had your 597 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:13,250 mind blown because it didn't happen once 598 00:26:20,650 --> 00:26:18,530 it happened again and coming up on the 599 00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:20,660 third night really sort of expecting 600 00:26:27,010 --> 00:26:23,510 something or were you looking for it by 601 00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:27,020 this time well no like I said it blew me 602 00:26:30,940 --> 00:26:28,910 away did something happen again I found 603 00:26:32,770 --> 00:26:30,950 out about it and what we were going to 604 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:32,780 try to do was simply go out there not 605 00:26:37,150 --> 00:26:34,490 like I said we weren't you I don't use 606 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:37,160 bonk I just said well first night we got 607 00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:39,050 caught up in and what I mean by that was 608 00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,370 we want you to do something happen we 609 00:26:44,140 --> 00:26:42,559 had react what I was hoping to do that 610 00:26:45,340 --> 00:26:44,150 night was to go out there and calmly 611 00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:45,350 walk through everything and it's not 612 00:26:49,210 --> 00:26:46,640 like we were out of control the first 613 00:26:50,770 --> 00:26:49,220 night per se but you know it you had to 614 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:50,780 react to something you have any time to 615 00:26:55,299 --> 00:26:52,970 think about it prepare for it so we went 616 00:26:56,590 --> 00:26:55,309 out did our job but that on the third 617 00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:56,600 night what I was planning on doing was 618 00:26:59,320 --> 00:26:58,730 going out to it goes real slow step by 619 00:27:01,600 --> 00:26:59,330 step 620 00:27:04,150 --> 00:27:01,610 being able to survey the area look at 621 00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:04,160 the whole area and take a hard look at 622 00:27:07,419 --> 00:27:05,600 you know what we were dealing with them 623 00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:07,429 but when I got out there the stuff had 624 00:27:13,390 --> 00:27:08,809 already started they were already having 625 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:13,400 stuff going on so so yeah so I wasn't 626 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:15,290 expecting anything again and like I said 627 00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:18,050 even after the first night my viewpoint 628 00:27:24,669 --> 00:27:20,960 on it was I couldn't explain it but and 629 00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:24,679 I and I wasn't happy that happen but you 630 00:27:27,790 --> 00:27:26,510 know I didn't expect anything to find 631 00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:27,800 out the second or third that would 632 00:27:31,210 --> 00:27:29,809 happen and I mean now through the years 633 00:27:33,130 --> 00:27:31,220 I found out stuff had happened before 634 00:27:34,750 --> 00:27:33,140 our event people had seen stuff 635 00:27:36,370 --> 00:27:34,760 different people have come forward and 636 00:27:38,650 --> 00:27:36,380 then there's been stuff going on to this 637 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:38,660 very day strange activity in the forest 638 00:27:44,110 --> 00:27:42,050 out there still there do you think it 639 00:27:47,290 --> 00:27:44,120 has something to do with you know sort 640 00:27:49,450 --> 00:27:47,300 of the geophysical makeup of that area 641 00:27:51,970 --> 00:27:49,460 for some reasons you know dislike you 642 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:51,980 know people claim that certain areas are 643 00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:53,530 power supplies and 644 00:27:59,160 --> 00:27:56,310 maybe you know tell your it currents 645 00:28:01,080 --> 00:27:59,170 that are very powerful in certain areas 646 00:28:03,690 --> 00:28:01,090 things like that do you think it has 647 00:28:04,980 --> 00:28:03,700 something to do with that area or do you 648 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:04,990 think it has something to do with the 649 00:28:11,370 --> 00:28:08,290 airbase well I mean it's still going on 650 00:28:14,490 --> 00:28:11,380 so obviously I mean if it's still going 651 00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:14,500 after the base closes I think there's 652 00:28:18,180 --> 00:28:15,910 some other person once there was some 653 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:18,190 kind of contamination from the base 654 00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:20,890 well no no there's uh what's interesting 655 00:28:24,930 --> 00:28:23,110 is the investigation that I've been 656 00:28:26,190 --> 00:28:24,940 conducting and going on and I just found 657 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:26,200 some more stuff out when I was over in 658 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:29,770 the UK this past weekend um is there's 659 00:28:34,410 --> 00:28:31,930 one thing and I kind of try to break it 660 00:28:36,210 --> 00:28:34,420 down step by step number one there was 661 00:28:38,340 --> 00:28:36,220 facilities out there that were 662 00:28:39,690 --> 00:28:38,350 conducting what I call they're called a 663 00:28:42,150 --> 00:28:39,700 special access programs they were 664 00:28:44,370 --> 00:28:42,160 clearly working on military weaponry 665 00:28:45,570 --> 00:28:44,380 now in saying that does that mean I'm 666 00:28:47,670 --> 00:28:45,580 saying what happened to us was all 667 00:28:49,980 --> 00:28:47,680 military know what I'm trying to say is 668 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:49,990 it started back earlier on Cobra miss 669 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:52,810 was located there it was a highly 670 00:28:57,330 --> 00:28:54,970 developed over the horizon radar they 671 00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:57,340 were working on and they had problems 672 00:29:00,660 --> 00:28:58,960 with it and it didn't work right and 673 00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:00,670 they spent a lot of money and I don't 674 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:02,080 want to give a figure of me wrong but it 675 00:29:05,790 --> 00:29:04,330 was a lot of money back then and they 676 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:05,800 couldn't get it to work right and the 677 00:29:09,210 --> 00:29:07,210 the reasoning behind it was there was 678 00:29:12,110 --> 00:29:09,220 inland interference they brought a team 679 00:29:16,290 --> 00:29:12,120 from SR I Stanford Research and see that 680 00:29:18,450 --> 00:29:16,300 are you still there alright that's okay 681 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:18,460 they brought a team in to look at the 682 00:29:22,830 --> 00:29:20,530 cause of it and they identified in in my 683 00:29:24,390 --> 00:29:22,840 problem they shut the thing down was 684 00:29:26,670 --> 00:29:24,400 like I said they never got an 685 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:26,680 operationally operational but they kept 686 00:29:29,790 --> 00:29:28,210 Stanford Research Institute they're 687 00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:29,800 working on some stuff there was a 688 00:29:34,590 --> 00:29:31,600 facility that's still there today called 689 00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:34,600 Mars from Heath now it was BT it was 690 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:36,310 British and American the American parts 691 00:29:40,380 --> 00:29:37,930 closed with the British site still there 692 00:29:42,780 --> 00:29:40,390 so they were working on stuff and it 693 00:29:45,090 --> 00:29:42,790 goes really deep into this to include 694 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:45,100 the fact that you know some people say 695 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:46,210 they were taken to an underground 696 00:29:50,550 --> 00:29:48,850 facility and what's interesting is there 697 00:29:52,980 --> 00:29:50,560 was a couple people have commented it's 698 00:29:53,850 --> 00:29:52,990 not possible and are they my name is 699 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:53,860 Colonel halt 700 00:29:57,870 --> 00:29:56,410 sir Penniston well going back over this 701 00:30:01,080 --> 00:29:57,880 last weekend there's an underground 702 00:30:02,820 --> 00:30:01,090 facility there and where it's at it goes 703 00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:02,830 two stories down and there's tunnels 704 00:30:07,620 --> 00:30:05,200 growing out into all different locations 705 00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:07,630 now the problem was they claimed it was 706 00:30:12,420 --> 00:30:09,760 the water table which is true there's 707 00:30:14,490 --> 00:30:12,430 that water table there but this the 708 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:14,500 underground two-level facilities they're 709 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:16,450 the tunnels are starting to get water in 710 00:30:21,420 --> 00:30:19,930 them and what happened was that they 711 00:30:22,650 --> 00:30:21,430 obviously the system is showed there 712 00:30:24,210 --> 00:30:22,660 were pumps air we're keeping the water 713 00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:24,220 out now that it's not active because 714 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:26,500 this particular facility is closed out - 715 00:30:32,780 --> 00:30:29,530 but there's tunnels there and there's an 716 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:32,790 underground facility yet people said um 717 00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:35,410 people said it wasn't possible but it is 718 00:30:39,390 --> 00:30:36,910 there's an underground facility there 719 00:30:41,790 --> 00:30:39,400 and it seems and it could very well tie 720 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:41,800 into all this from all the research I'm 721 00:30:47,970 --> 00:30:44,770 doing so what do you say you know I mean 722 00:30:51,060 --> 00:30:47,980 yeah and do I think it was the ordinance 723 00:30:54,210 --> 00:30:51,070 no I think that what I think through my 724 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:54,220 research looking at condign looking at 725 00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:55,930 these documents the fact of the matter 726 00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:57,760 was there was two guys down there from 727 00:31:02,220 --> 00:31:00,640 emod already looking at that area at the 728 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:02,230 phenomenon was there they had identified 729 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:04,450 that area as a hot area they were down 730 00:31:10,020 --> 00:31:08,290 in research what happened and then 731 00:31:11,370 --> 00:31:10,030 there's all this stuff in condign which 732 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:11,380 is over 400 pages long 733 00:31:17,790 --> 00:31:13,930 that area is a hot spot not because of 734 00:31:20,010 --> 00:31:17,800 the bases itself because of the area now 735 00:31:21,510 --> 00:31:20,020 could the facilities outside of 736 00:31:22,860 --> 00:31:21,520 Bentwaters Woodbridge being involved is 737 00:31:24,990 --> 00:31:22,870 that you bet could they've been doing 738 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:25,000 something to cause some of this yes 739 00:31:29,250 --> 00:31:27,610 matter fact if you go into condign one 740 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:29,260 of the things it says is when this stuff 741 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:30,850 shows itself and things are going on 742 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:33,250 there's a high amount of possible meteor 743 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:35,290 activity and stuff over that three-day 744 00:31:41,370 --> 00:31:38,530 period there was humongous amount of 745 00:31:42,750 --> 00:31:41,380 meteor period of activity to include the 746 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:42,760 first night there was all kinds of 747 00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:44,410 meteor activity going on and it 748 00:31:49,050 --> 00:31:46,000 triggered some of the stuff on top of 749 00:31:54,030 --> 00:31:49,060 the area itself Wow 750 00:31:56,970 --> 00:31:54,040 why would you think it that would be 751 00:31:59,250 --> 00:31:56,980 involved I mean look what do you see ash 752 00:32:00,930 --> 00:31:59,260 do you see any meaning behind there we 753 00:32:03,690 --> 00:32:00,940 figured out anything that's why that 754 00:32:05,340 --> 00:32:03,700 would be well a part of the condom 755 00:32:07,470 --> 00:32:05,350 report says they're weaponized they're 756 00:32:08,970 --> 00:32:07,480 not just America and the British but all 757 00:32:10,380 --> 00:32:08,980 these countries they're aware of the 758 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:10,390 phenomenon there were over kids 759 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:13,210 capabilities and they're looking to take 760 00:32:18,030 --> 00:32:16,570 advantage of it and weaponize it so that 761 00:32:20,130 --> 00:32:18,040 would be one of the reasons they keep it 762 00:32:20,730 --> 00:32:20,140 quiet it since they knew that was an 763 00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:20,740 area they had 764 00:32:24,419 --> 00:32:22,000 facilities there that could have worked 765 00:32:27,690 --> 00:32:24,429 on it and done some work around it 766 00:32:30,270 --> 00:32:27,700 trying to figure it out more so the 767 00:32:31,770 --> 00:32:30,280 answer is yeah I mean yeah they're 768 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:31,780 they're working on they were working on 769 00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:33,370 a debt they're still working on it now 770 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:35,460 there's all kinds of stuff going on 771 00:32:39,810 --> 00:32:38,170 involving this phenomenon and it just 772 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:39,820 doesn't tie into that area but it does 773 00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:41,410 appear to tie into other areas of the 774 00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:46,559 world - yes well have you drawn any 775 00:32:54,060 --> 00:32:50,110 correlation between the events that 776 00:32:57,299 --> 00:32:54,070 happen at Bentwaters and the reported 777 00:33:00,270 --> 00:32:57,309 events that happened at that ranch in 778 00:33:04,350 --> 00:33:00,280 Utah now known as skinwalker ranch is to 779 00:33:06,419 --> 00:33:04,360 be called Sherman ranch that's a good 780 00:33:11,310 --> 00:33:06,429 question that's that's out of the blue 781 00:33:13,290 --> 00:33:11,320 yes is that that was clear the 782 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:13,300 government was studying that up there 783 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:15,970 and then Bigelow came into it and they 784 00:33:22,049 --> 00:33:18,490 were looking at the effects on both the 785 00:33:23,250 --> 00:33:22,059 animals and personnel and yes some of 786 00:33:26,669 --> 00:33:23,260 the descriptions that come out of 787 00:33:29,310 --> 00:33:26,679 skinwalker do go back towards project 788 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:29,320 condign and what we were dealing with 789 00:33:33,690 --> 00:33:32,050 and it does appear that there's a lot of 790 00:33:36,540 --> 00:33:33,700 places in the world that have these 791 00:33:43,620 --> 00:33:36,550 effects you know and with the phenomena 792 00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:43,630 itself yeah I just reminded me of it 793 00:33:49,770 --> 00:33:47,679 because if it sounds I don't know what 794 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:49,780 it did it sort of smacks to me of like 795 00:33:54,690 --> 00:33:52,690 interdimensional travel or something 796 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:54,700 like that I don't even know exactly why 797 00:33:58,650 --> 00:33:56,530 I say Venice of course I'm no expert in 798 00:34:00,450 --> 00:33:58,660 any of that but that's just what it 799 00:34:02,460 --> 00:34:00,460 reminded me of and then I was thinking 800 00:34:05,790 --> 00:34:02,470 about some of the things that were seen 801 00:34:08,909 --> 00:34:05,800 and the activities you know that they 802 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:08,919 claimed were going on over at skinwalker 803 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:14,290 ranch I mean I was able to talk with the 804 00:34:19,290 --> 00:34:16,810 schurmans before they actually moved 805 00:34:23,129 --> 00:34:19,300 away from the ranch right after the 806 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:23,139 story kind of broken before the sale was 807 00:34:29,220 --> 00:34:25,810 complete to rob with datalove of the 808 00:34:30,570 --> 00:34:29,230 ranch and I mean to me 809 00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:30,580 you know they sounded like they were 810 00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:32,080 telling the truth I mean it would be the 811 00:34:34,619 --> 00:34:33,609 first time I've been through it but you 812 00:34:36,539 --> 00:34:34,629 know it did 813 00:34:39,509 --> 00:34:36,549 like they were very nervous about what 814 00:34:41,549 --> 00:34:39,519 was going on and some of the things that 815 00:34:43,379 --> 00:34:41,559 they described remind me of some of 816 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:43,389 those things that you and others have 817 00:34:55,799 --> 00:34:46,649 described as happening there at 818 00:34:59,099 --> 00:34:57,450 there's things right now that I'm real 819 00:35:01,170 --> 00:34:59,109 careful about what I'm talking about 820 00:35:03,329 --> 00:35:01,180 I've got a lot of stuff going and you 821 00:35:05,489 --> 00:35:03,339 know irons in the fire and I don't like 822 00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:05,499 to go into it you know unless I can back 823 00:35:11,069 --> 00:35:06,880 it up and I'll give you an example 824 00:35:15,180 --> 00:35:11,079 no I started doing FOIA on not only 825 00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,190 foyer with in America on this and it did 826 00:35:22,049 --> 00:35:17,440 it through attorney Patras going on that 827 00:35:24,269 --> 00:35:22,059 by despoil with the mo D any information 828 00:35:26,809 --> 00:35:24,279 ax or anybody that might not know right 829 00:35:29,849 --> 00:35:26,819 and what's interesting is is that 830 00:35:32,489 --> 00:35:29,859 through the mo D I went through I went 831 00:35:34,410 --> 00:35:32,499 after condign and the working papers and 832 00:35:36,930 --> 00:35:34,420 stuff and what's interesting number one 833 00:35:38,489 --> 00:35:36,940 is the mo D likes to come out and say a 834 00:35:40,859 --> 00:35:38,499 couple things they said it about retinol 835 00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:40,869 stone they've said it about UFOs in 836 00:35:45,660 --> 00:35:42,609 general and whether the interesting 837 00:35:49,019 --> 00:35:45,670 findings is number one they changed from 838 00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:49,029 UFOs you ap's I think it was early 2000 839 00:35:52,469 --> 00:35:50,529 I've taught my head on the documents 840 00:35:54,959 --> 00:35:52,479 they were going with us for a long time 841 00:35:56,940 --> 00:35:54,969 they changed you a piece what they did 842 00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:56,950 was they came out and they said about a 843 00:36:00,329 --> 00:35:58,450 year ago they were done they've reached 844 00:36:02,789 --> 00:36:00,339 other documents everything that they had 845 00:36:04,289 --> 00:36:02,799 was out and they had a spokesman do it 846 00:36:06,779 --> 00:36:04,299 through the neck our National Archives 847 00:36:08,749 --> 00:36:06,789 was the name of David Clarke and he came 848 00:36:10,829 --> 00:36:08,759 out and said you know everything's out 849 00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:10,839 everything rests the way it is somewhere 850 00:36:13,890 --> 00:36:12,430 along the lines like here you go folks 851 00:36:15,150 --> 00:36:13,900 take a look at it there's really nothing 852 00:36:17,759 --> 00:36:15,160 to it don't worry about it 853 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:17,769 mo Dee's got nothing to it well through 854 00:36:21,959 --> 00:36:20,170 my FOIA I found out otherwise and what 855 00:36:26,009 --> 00:36:21,969 I'm saying is you're holding on to at 856 00:36:26,489 --> 00:36:26,019 least 18 more files on this I got into a 857 00:36:28,769 --> 00:36:26,499 minute 858 00:36:30,059 --> 00:36:28,779 and I've been talking about it I did a 859 00:36:31,289 --> 00:36:30,069 little bit in the States nobody in the 860 00:36:33,359 --> 00:36:31,299 States was able to get anything out of 861 00:36:35,789 --> 00:36:33,369 it right before I went over said another 862 00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:35,799 press kit out I sent it to you and 863 00:36:40,620 --> 00:36:38,710 magically the mo D now is admitted that 864 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:40,630 they're holding at least 18 more files 865 00:36:45,269 --> 00:36:43,930 and what people don't understand is and 866 00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:45,279 they got these people out there and I 867 00:36:49,410 --> 00:36:47,920 don't understand it they act like they 868 00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:49,420 Clarence's they don't know what they're 869 00:36:52,620 --> 00:36:51,250 talking about other than they'll be a 870 00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,630 spokesperson I'll say well that's all 871 00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:54,640 the files well how do they know because 872 00:36:59,760 --> 00:36:56,800 first of all when you read acts stuff 873 00:37:01,530 --> 00:36:59,770 it's classified now the thing is is even 874 00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:01,540 here Modi says in this release they're 875 00:37:06,180 --> 00:37:03,250 gonna have to redact this stuff first 876 00:37:07,620 --> 00:37:06,190 that they don't want out in these files 877 00:37:10,170 --> 00:37:07,630 then they'll release the rest of the 878 00:37:11,790 --> 00:37:10,180 files which means even then technically 879 00:37:13,770 --> 00:37:11,800 they still haven't really saw the files 880 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:13,780 because when you have anything that you 881 00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:15,970 redact and you hold back it's classified 882 00:37:20,220 --> 00:37:18,160 which by the way most of the working 883 00:37:23,940 --> 00:37:20,230 stuff in content is at least classified 884 00:37:25,740 --> 00:37:23,950 um defense which oh by the way this is 885 00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:25,750 not a defense significance according to 886 00:37:29,970 --> 00:37:28,480 the mo D it's just blatantly wrong and 887 00:37:31,890 --> 00:37:29,980 you need to take a hard look at that 888 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:31,900 they're classifying stuff that they 889 00:37:36,330 --> 00:37:33,970 won't release his defense but UFOs or 890 00:37:37,140 --> 00:37:36,340 slice your EPS or not a defense nature 891 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:37,150 or worry 892 00:37:41,220 --> 00:37:38,890 then why is this stuff all classified 893 00:37:43,140 --> 00:37:41,230 defense and I've got proof of that and I 894 00:37:45,180 --> 00:37:43,150 got him I got him to cave and they've 895 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:45,190 admitted it now but when they first told 896 00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:46,690 me it was going to be sometime dinner 897 00:37:49,110 --> 00:37:47,200 this year 898 00:37:50,910 --> 00:37:49,120 now they pushed it all the way back into 899 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:50,920 September of next year and the 900 00:37:54,060 --> 00:37:52,450 interesting thing is when I got this 901 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:54,070 exchange with them they didn't really 902 00:37:56,610 --> 00:37:55,210 want to admit to it I think what 903 00:37:58,830 --> 00:37:56,620 happened was the way I was approaching 904 00:38:00,750 --> 00:37:58,840 it somebody got caught off guard and 905 00:38:03,210 --> 00:38:00,760 admitted to one thing to cover something 906 00:38:04,620 --> 00:38:03,220 else and and he shouldn't even admitted 907 00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:04,630 to that then all of a sudden somebody 908 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:06,160 worried about got into the middle of 909 00:38:09,690 --> 00:38:07,690 this but now at least they finally 910 00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:09,700 admitted that they lied and it's 911 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:12,310 embarrassing and yet no one seems to 912 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:14,770 care no one seems to worry though once 913 00:38:18,660 --> 00:38:16,810 again they're cleaning nothing there's 914 00:38:20,070 --> 00:38:18,670 nothing to UFOs you AP's and there's 915 00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:20,080 nothing to them but in defense 916 00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:22,000 significance but everything that you 917 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:23,680 read about this and everything that you 918 00:38:27,810 --> 00:38:25,930 do is tied in to the defense and it's 919 00:38:29,790 --> 00:38:27,820 classified defense or in other different 920 00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:29,800 ways that all lead back to the defense 921 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:34,720 and national security that's crazy yeah 922 00:38:42,210 --> 00:38:38,530 but what is their stated reason why it's 923 00:38:43,890 --> 00:38:42,220 classified if it's not pertinent they 924 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:43,900 don't have to they don't have to tell 925 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:46,690 you they can give you this skull it's a 926 00:38:50,370 --> 00:38:48,010 section they have different things that 927 00:38:52,770 --> 00:38:50,380 they they label what some of it has to 928 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:52,780 do with inner like different countries 929 00:38:56,460 --> 00:38:54,850 it's classified for that but the 930 00:38:59,970 --> 00:38:56,470 majority of this stuff is classified 931 00:39:01,859 --> 00:38:59,980 defense to the UK well so how could this 932 00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:01,869 all stuff be defense 933 00:39:05,490 --> 00:39:03,910 because what the he what this guy did he 934 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:05,500 was a private contractor it was hired 935 00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:07,569 and actually it's funny Nick Pope was 936 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:09,369 actually when he was at the mo D desk 937 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:12,730 actually were work to get this done and 938 00:39:19,260 --> 00:39:15,609 it was a scientific report done first 939 00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:19,270 just certain eyes only in the UK and 940 00:39:24,359 --> 00:39:21,369 they were doing a study on UFOs in your 941 00:39:26,339 --> 00:39:24,369 APS and you know how they related and 942 00:39:29,309 --> 00:39:26,349 stuff and he was looking at all the 943 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:29,319 documents they have and like I said some 944 00:39:33,210 --> 00:39:30,970 of the documents that he was looking at 945 00:39:36,029 --> 00:39:33,220 is still classified defense well now if 946 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:36,039 you're doing a study on UFOs you ApS but 947 00:39:39,089 --> 00:39:37,690 it's not a defense significance why 948 00:39:41,609 --> 00:39:39,099 would you still classify anything of 949 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:41,619 Defense significance number one and what 950 00:39:44,609 --> 00:39:43,210 I also believe and this is the only 951 00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:44,619 thing I got in a little line I don't 952 00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:46,960 have proof yet but there was a whole 953 00:39:52,740 --> 00:39:49,119 bunch of policy file or documents that 954 00:39:54,750 --> 00:39:52,750 disappeared um from the D is files on 955 00:39:57,299 --> 00:39:54,760 Rendlesham it was magic they did all 956 00:39:59,809 --> 00:39:57,309 these FOIA releases right boom boom boom 957 00:40:02,579 --> 00:39:59,819 and then there was a section within the 958 00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:02,589 Rendlesham part that when they came up 959 00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:04,510 to release it they were gone they were 960 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:06,730 destroyed and his nick says they didn't 961 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:08,650 follow protocol they weren't supposed to 962 00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:10,690 destroy him number one if something did 963 00:40:14,370 --> 00:40:11,920 happen with them there's supposed to be 964 00:40:16,589 --> 00:40:14,380 a paper trail showing what that isn't 965 00:40:19,289 --> 00:40:16,599 there so they're missing what I'm pretty 966 00:40:21,779 --> 00:40:19,299 sure of is those are classified and they 967 00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:21,789 just said they were missing and we'll 968 00:40:25,019 --> 00:40:22,960 never see him but it's interesting 969 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:25,029 within the Condon report the only 970 00:40:29,549 --> 00:40:27,130 instance talk about is Rendlesham forest 971 00:40:33,390 --> 00:40:29,559 incident and it goes into details of how 972 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:33,400 we were exposed to radiation from the US 973 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:36,210 which goes back to my condition itself 974 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:38,770 and yeah I wanted to ask about that 975 00:40:45,180 --> 00:40:42,250 about what types of After Effects has 976 00:40:47,819 --> 00:40:45,190 people had I know there has been 977 00:40:49,890 --> 00:40:47,829 radiation exposure I know Larry said 978 00:40:53,309 --> 00:40:49,900 that he had tested positive for 979 00:40:58,819 --> 00:40:53,319 radiation exposure and you had something 980 00:41:02,789 --> 00:40:58,829 similar is it that way for others to 981 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:02,799 tell the truth I did I I just had 982 00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:05,650 open-heart surgery and the interesting 983 00:41:10,529 --> 00:41:08,049 thing is is that I had to have a valve 984 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:10,539 replaced and right after the incident I 985 00:41:13,830 --> 00:41:12,490 wasn't feeling well and they found a 986 00:41:15,330 --> 00:41:13,840 heart murmur 987 00:41:16,980 --> 00:41:15,340 I couldn't have gotten any air force 988 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:16,990 with the heart murmur it's just you're 989 00:41:20,970 --> 00:41:18,250 not allowed and that's one of the 990 00:41:22,830 --> 00:41:20,980 disqualifiers I got the musical showing 991 00:41:25,410 --> 00:41:22,840 I came in clean barrel health it 992 00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,420 developed right afterwards and then when 993 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:27,520 I got out in 88 from active going into 994 00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:29,170 reserves I got the physical show I got 995 00:41:32,910 --> 00:41:30,910 the heart problems but the interesting 996 00:41:35,070 --> 00:41:32,920 thing is it appears and I say it appears 997 00:41:37,020 --> 00:41:35,080 is pretty all the information I received 998 00:41:39,150 --> 00:41:37,030 from the Senators looking at it as a 999 00:41:40,530 --> 00:41:39,160 people looking into it is that my 1000 00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:40,540 records of my medical records are 1001 00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:43,180 classified and the VA won't release them 1002 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:46,000 they won't answer for it new medical 1003 00:41:52,980 --> 00:41:48,130 records are verified 1004 00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:52,990 yes they're classified to you yeah I 1005 00:41:57,390 --> 00:41:54,400 can't get them which is a violation 1006 00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,400 HIPAA law and they won't release him and 1007 00:42:02,730 --> 00:41:59,680 they won't answer it started with 1008 00:42:04,980 --> 00:42:02,740 Senator Kyl retired and he's the one who 1009 00:42:07,830 --> 00:42:04,990 pointed out to probably classified then 1010 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:07,840 went to Senator McCain's office who they 1011 00:42:12,540 --> 00:42:10,930 also feel it's classified and senator 1012 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:12,550 Sanders the head of the VA committee 1013 00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:14,530 that I brought in and just came back and 1014 00:42:17,730 --> 00:42:16,030 says you need to go to the classified 1015 00:42:20,220 --> 00:42:17,740 records sections to acquire on your 1016 00:42:22,020 --> 00:42:20,230 records and continue have Senator McCain 1017 00:42:25,170 --> 00:42:22,030 work with you on this um there's been 1018 00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:25,180 all kinds of lies in deception to 1019 00:42:30,660 --> 00:42:27,910 Senator McCain's office from the VA they 1020 00:42:32,820 --> 00:42:30,670 now magically it's been going on and 1021 00:42:34,890 --> 00:42:32,830 they offer to do a different look at it 1022 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:34,900 and then when the whole packet was 1023 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:36,970 submitted now they magically lost some 1024 00:42:41,460 --> 00:42:39,490 of that again they won't answer FOIA on 1025 00:42:43,740 --> 00:42:41,470 my records or what's going on the 1026 00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,750 violating federal law but ultimately 1027 00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:45,520 what it comes down to is you have to go 1028 00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:46,960 in and sue them to get anything that's 1029 00:42:52,650 --> 00:42:48,880 just the way our governments working out 1030 00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:52,660 it is anyway so and then even FOIA like 1031 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:54,910 did FOIA with State Department they've 1032 00:42:57,660 --> 00:42:56,410 been holding records on the incident 1033 00:42:59,580 --> 00:42:57,670 which we're making an international 1034 00:43:00,540 --> 00:42:59,590 incident yet they won't release them 1035 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:00,550 because they belong to the Air Force 1036 00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:02,770 contact the Air Force to get permission 1037 00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:04,510 to release them we go to the Air Force 1038 00:43:08,910 --> 00:43:06,400 the Air Force denies errs and documents 1039 00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:08,920 so once again we don't sue then you go 1040 00:43:12,060 --> 00:43:10,480 to the CIA are you holding any 1041 00:43:13,710 --> 00:43:12,070 classified documents on the incident 1042 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:13,720 they would can either confirm or deny 1043 00:43:18,270 --> 00:43:16,210 ever holding them I mean the instant is 1044 00:43:20,610 --> 00:43:18,280 classified still to this day it's still 1045 00:43:23,460 --> 00:43:20,620 classified within the mod-2 this day 1046 00:43:25,230 --> 00:43:23,470 it's of Defense significance they're 1047 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:25,240 clearly weaponized in the weapons out 1048 00:43:29,380 --> 00:43:27,170 there you probably were 1049 00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:29,390 working the facilities there it could 1050 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:30,640 have been working on understanding 1051 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:32,450 phenomena right there there were people 1052 00:43:35,799 --> 00:43:34,010 down there from me and we'll be looking 1053 00:43:38,380 --> 00:43:35,809 at the phenomena they came in and looked 1054 00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:38,390 at it afterwards there's 400 documents 1055 00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:40,730 out there showing that this stuff is 1056 00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:43,609 classified so whatever happened to us is 1057 00:43:49,410 --> 00:43:45,760 still classified to this day defense and 1058 00:43:52,299 --> 00:43:49,420 probably never will see the light of day 1059 00:43:54,730 --> 00:43:52,309 and what you thought was going to be 1060 00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:54,740 released this year and now you found out 1061 00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:56,569 it's going to be like September of next 1062 00:43:59,890 --> 00:43:57,250 year 1063 00:44:02,829 --> 00:43:59,900 was there any stated reason for that 1064 00:44:05,319 --> 00:44:02,839 delay the just to take some more time to 1065 00:44:06,910 --> 00:44:05,329 do it I mean they have to go and redact 1066 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:06,920 their stuff for three months and they 1067 00:44:10,809 --> 00:44:08,930 have to go to the archives with it from 1068 00:44:12,970 --> 00:44:10,819 there the archives looks at it and gets 1069 00:44:14,829 --> 00:44:12,980 it together to be released I mean this 1070 00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:14,839 was early on like in March so it should 1071 00:44:18,490 --> 00:44:16,640 have been April May June and nine months 1072 00:44:20,170 --> 00:44:18,500 should have been into this year early 1073 00:44:24,250 --> 00:44:20,180 next year now they pushed it all the way 1074 00:44:27,450 --> 00:44:24,260 back till September 2015 at the earliest 1075 00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:27,460 and what's interesting was was able to 1076 00:44:30,910 --> 00:44:29,510 when I went over there it was 1077 00:44:33,460 --> 00:44:30,920 interesting I did a big press release 1078 00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,470 kit and what's all the press and what's 1079 00:44:38,829 --> 00:44:35,599 funny was two things happen while I was 1080 00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,839 over there number one they did a BBC did 1081 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:40,400 a thing on the fact that they built this 1082 00:44:44,799 --> 00:44:42,170 thing called a craft of unknown origin 1083 00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,809 and that Jim saw that he drew and 1084 00:44:48,579 --> 00:44:46,400 they're gonna put it in the forest now 1085 00:44:51,220 --> 00:44:48,589 it was internationally introduced in the 1086 00:44:53,890 --> 00:44:51,230 BBC talking about that on Saturday when 1087 00:44:56,289 --> 00:44:53,900 I was there now my press release went 1088 00:44:58,930 --> 00:44:56,299 out and one of the British newspapers 1089 00:45:01,420 --> 00:44:58,940 the day I left read an article saying 1090 00:45:03,940 --> 00:45:01,430 they admitted that Modi finally admitted 1091 00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:03,950 that they that they're still holding 18 1092 00:45:10,930 --> 00:45:07,520 files back so they got a walk online 1093 00:45:13,150 --> 00:45:10,940 they got caught lying and but that's 1094 00:45:13,630 --> 00:45:13,160 okay no big deal you know we just lie to 1095 00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:13,640 you again 1096 00:45:18,010 --> 00:45:16,250 and so yeah but you could trust us 1097 00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,020 anything we tell you and that's where I 1098 00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:20,240 go down the line with disclosure it 1099 00:45:24,970 --> 00:45:22,400 kills me and people are offended by this 1100 00:45:26,530 --> 00:45:24,980 maybe they should be no interesting 1101 00:45:27,940 --> 00:45:26,540 government anymore but they really 1102 00:45:29,170 --> 00:45:27,950 believe at some point in time they're 1103 00:45:32,410 --> 00:45:29,180 going to tell us what the hell is going 1104 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:32,420 on with whatever you know you know UFOs 1105 00:45:35,770 --> 00:45:34,130 you ApS the phenomena or whatever it is 1106 00:45:38,799 --> 00:45:35,780 they're gonna come out tell us the truth 1107 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:38,809 on it and then until they do we're not 1108 00:45:41,460 --> 00:45:40,210 going to go anywhere with 1109 00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:41,470 so we have to wait for the government to 1110 00:45:44,820 --> 00:45:42,880 tell us and that's one of the things 1111 00:45:46,109 --> 00:45:44,830 that go into confirmation and 1112 00:45:47,730 --> 00:45:46,119 confirmation has already happened 1113 00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:47,740 there's more than a proof that 1114 00:45:51,150 --> 00:45:49,839 something's going on including different 1115 00:45:53,220 --> 00:45:51,160 statements by high people in the 1116 00:45:54,510 --> 00:45:53,230 government and in generals you know they 1117 00:45:56,339 --> 00:45:54,520 don't have a fire me right now but 1118 00:45:57,810 --> 00:45:56,349 they've clearly stated enough to show 1119 00:46:00,329 --> 00:45:57,820 most people should understand 1120 00:46:01,950 --> 00:46:00,339 something's going on - including Edgar 1121 00:46:04,140 --> 00:46:01,960 Mitchell saying that we've been visited 1122 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:04,150 by the phenomena that it's real and he 1123 00:46:07,950 --> 00:46:06,010 was you know he would know he's worked 1124 00:46:09,930 --> 00:46:07,960 on these committees and stuff and he did 1125 00:46:11,609 --> 00:46:09,940 a great interview talking about it so 1126 00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:11,619 something's going on but people are 1127 00:46:15,300 --> 00:46:13,510 still waiting for a government don't 1128 00:46:17,970 --> 00:46:15,310 want trust anymore to tell them exactly 1129 00:46:19,890 --> 00:46:17,980 what's going on until they totally 1130 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:19,900 believe something I would normally go on 1131 00:46:24,420 --> 00:46:21,490 on and you know and everything else I 1132 00:46:25,950 --> 00:46:24,430 just find out hilarious I mean like yeah 1133 00:46:27,540 --> 00:46:25,960 we're gonna trust the government not for 1134 00:46:30,750 --> 00:46:27,550 anything else but they're gonna tell us 1135 00:46:32,310 --> 00:46:30,760 about what what's going on with us hi 1136 00:46:34,650 --> 00:46:32,320 your backup night-vision I'm your host 1137 00:46:38,010 --> 00:46:34,660 Renee Barnett and I'm talking to John 1138 00:46:40,650 --> 00:46:38,020 Burroughs one of the witnesses to the 1139 00:46:44,460 --> 00:46:40,660 Rendlesham forest incident and one who 1140 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:44,470 has spent the last 30-plus years looking 1141 00:46:50,430 --> 00:46:48,130 into the incident and investigating all 1142 00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:50,440 the evidence and the documentation and 1143 00:46:55,950 --> 00:46:53,520 he's gotten quite a ways but he's also 1144 00:47:00,030 --> 00:46:55,960 had quite a fight getting some of the 1145 00:47:02,130 --> 00:47:00,040 information out now John as you know we 1146 00:47:04,650 --> 00:47:02,140 have a live chat room going during this 1147 00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:04,660 show and we've been getting some 1148 00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:06,730 questions through if you don't mind I'm 1149 00:47:11,070 --> 00:47:09,520 going to put about three minutes to 1150 00:47:12,570 --> 00:47:11,080 recap a couple things and I want to 1151 00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:12,580 bring up a couple points and then 1152 00:47:17,820 --> 00:47:14,560 absolutely be my guest you are my guest 1153 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:17,830 so I am in okay to start with I'm sorry 1154 00:47:22,109 --> 00:47:20,290 Larry can beyond tonight because you 1155 00:47:23,820 --> 00:47:22,119 know there's been all kinds of issues 1156 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:23,830 going on over the years and Larry's 1157 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:25,450 taking the brunt of the heat from 1158 00:47:30,750 --> 00:47:28,570 everybody and you know he was the guy 1159 00:47:33,210 --> 00:47:30,760 that took this on from the beginning 1160 00:47:34,980 --> 00:47:33,220 because without him going out there 1161 00:47:38,130 --> 00:47:34,990 sticking his neck on the line talking 1162 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:38,140 about all this and and working through a 1163 00:47:42,329 --> 00:47:40,210 couple people they got the memo out and 1164 00:47:44,370 --> 00:47:42,339 then the tape out this would never even 1165 00:47:46,050 --> 00:47:44,380 be in talked about today and then 1166 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:46,060 there's a couple ladies that I met over 1167 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:48,490 there and one day didn't show up but dot 1168 00:47:52,410 --> 00:47:50,170 Street Brenda but we were working on 1169 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:52,420 this from the UK side and so is Jenny 1170 00:47:57,420 --> 00:47:53,650 Randall's Blair 1171 00:47:59,490 --> 00:47:57,430 you know he he took took charge of this 1172 00:48:02,970 --> 00:47:59,500 room again he took a lot of heat and you 1173 00:48:04,859 --> 00:48:02,980 know he was the original whistleblower I 1174 00:48:09,420 --> 00:48:04,869 hate the word whistle boy I know it's 1175 00:48:11,730 --> 00:48:09,430 been doing but he was a whistleblower in 1176 00:48:13,230 --> 00:48:11,740 the fence but he was an experiencer he 1177 00:48:15,029 --> 00:48:13,240 was somebody experienced somebody didn't 1178 00:48:16,859 --> 00:48:15,039 understand felt it wasn't right it was 1179 00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:16,869 being held back and went out and got it 1180 00:48:20,670 --> 00:48:18,880 out to the public and yeah that's a 1181 00:48:22,529 --> 00:48:20,680 whistle blowing away but you know it's 1182 00:48:23,819 --> 00:48:22,539 more than that because you know he was 1183 00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:23,829 trying to figure it out himself and he 1184 00:48:27,660 --> 00:48:25,510 still is to this day the long the rest 1185 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:27,670 of us and stuff so yes technically he's 1186 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:29,890 a whistleblower but he's also a guy that 1187 00:48:33,390 --> 00:48:31,690 did his best to try to understand he's 1188 00:48:34,740 --> 00:48:33,400 get it out to the public not as a 1189 00:48:36,809 --> 00:48:34,750 whistleblower per se because 1190 00:48:38,370 --> 00:48:36,819 whistleblower is a little different you 1191 00:48:39,930 --> 00:48:38,380 know I mean yeah he knew it was wrong he 1192 00:48:42,990 --> 00:48:39,940 wanted it out but he was doing it also 1193 00:48:45,180 --> 00:48:43,000 to help a lot of people and you know and 1194 00:48:46,829 --> 00:48:45,190 it's sad tonight once again for some 1195 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:46,839 reason we couldn't get him on you know 1196 00:48:49,890 --> 00:48:48,490 and it would have been nice for him to 1197 00:48:52,589 --> 00:48:49,900 come on here and talk about some of this 1198 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:52,599 stuff and hopefully someday maybe we can 1199 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:54,130 get on a radio show together we've tried 1200 00:48:58,529 --> 00:48:55,690 several times and for some reason each 1201 00:49:00,839 --> 00:48:58,539 time it doesn't work out so what's the 1202 00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:00,849 biggest thing because I mean it's never 1203 00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:03,250 happened on this show it's never any 1204 00:49:08,789 --> 00:49:04,920 show of it and I've been doing this show 1205 00:49:10,650 --> 00:49:08,799 for about the past eight years and I've 1206 00:49:13,529 --> 00:49:10,660 never not been able to get hold of the 1207 00:49:15,450 --> 00:49:13,539 guests and it was like it wasn't it was 1208 00:49:18,029 --> 00:49:15,460 problems from his n problems from iron 1209 00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:18,039 and it just he just couldn't make it 1210 00:49:21,930 --> 00:49:19,599 happen and it was just the weirdest 1211 00:49:25,890 --> 00:49:21,940 thing and I'm so disappointed because 1212 00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:25,900 you know I met Larry Cox back in 1213 00:49:31,890 --> 00:49:28,480 probably 1990 when he was out here in 1214 00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:31,900 Southern California for a while and we 1215 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:34,089 were covering that story from UFO 1216 00:49:38,460 --> 00:49:36,490 magazine at the time and I just thought 1217 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:38,470 oh my gosh this is the most amazing 1218 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:41,650 thing you know as far as witnesses it's 1219 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:46,450 just you know absolutely you know the 1220 00:49:51,329 --> 00:49:49,210 black you know I know it's you know when 1221 00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:51,339 of course with Peter Robbins wrote a 1222 00:49:57,180 --> 00:49:54,160 book called left at Eastgate and have 1223 00:49:59,490 --> 00:49:57,190 you written a book on this subject John 1224 00:50:02,460 --> 00:49:59,500 yeah we we just had a book release the 1225 00:50:03,970 --> 00:50:02,470 spring it was an April Nick Pope was the 1226 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:03,980 lead author and 1227 00:50:08,310 --> 00:50:06,890 Jim Penniston and I were co-authors and 1228 00:50:12,070 --> 00:50:08,320 it's called encounter Rendlesham forest 1229 00:50:14,770 --> 00:50:12,080 me of course and it's a broad scope of 1230 00:50:17,170 --> 00:50:14,780 our views Jim and I and Nick's 1231 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:17,180 involvement and it goes along it goes in 1232 00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:18,770 the condign a little bit which is what I 1233 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:20,960 wanted to hit now what I want to say I 1234 00:50:25,060 --> 00:50:23,330 talked about earlier about FOIA in MO 1235 00:50:26,830 --> 00:50:25,070 deal and stuff back well I want to go 1236 00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:26,840 into that one thing I forgot to mention 1237 00:50:31,180 --> 00:50:28,880 also want to talk about the VA problems 1238 00:50:33,220 --> 00:50:31,190 they actually altered my service records 1239 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:33,230 and I've got proof of that and the 1240 00:50:36,550 --> 00:50:34,490 McCain's office falling either 1241 00:50:38,020 --> 00:50:36,560 turnaround because they did I my initial 1242 00:50:40,180 --> 00:50:38,030 claim based on the fact that they had no 1243 00:50:43,090 --> 00:50:40,190 medical records for the time frame or I 1244 00:50:45,849 --> 00:50:43,100 wasn't in the service from 79 to 82 and 1245 00:50:48,730 --> 00:50:45,859 they actually altered my bio service 1246 00:50:50,620 --> 00:50:48,740 records we got that changed but yeah for 1247 00:50:52,660 --> 00:50:50,630 I wasn't there so that's why I couldn't 1248 00:50:54,730 --> 00:50:52,670 have been injured or sick from it so I 1249 00:50:56,290 --> 00:50:54,740 mean this is a pretty deep thing that 1250 00:50:59,530 --> 00:50:56,300 they've gone to that extreme and say I 1251 00:51:01,870 --> 00:50:59,540 wasn't even in there so what I mean I'm 1252 00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:01,880 saying I was remembering that and I know 1253 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:05,200 I wasn't that around the same time that 1254 00:51:16,540 --> 00:51:15,190 officially be sworn oh that's right 1255 00:51:22,780 --> 00:51:16,550 that's right there was something going 1256 00:51:25,150 --> 00:51:22,790 on knowing I heard stuff going on in 1257 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:25,160 Ireland with IRA and stuff but it was 1258 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:26,570 the biggest thing that was going on was 1259 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:28,490 a solidarity movement in Poland and 1260 00:51:32,859 --> 00:51:30,890 there was some it was edgy right there 1261 00:51:36,940 --> 00:51:32,869 with the fact that Russia might invade 1262 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:36,950 Poland and stuff yeah I remember I 1263 00:51:42,190 --> 00:51:39,650 remembered at the time hearing things 1264 00:51:45,460 --> 00:51:42,200 someone saying that Larry wasn't really 1265 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:45,470 there that he had gone to that kid he 1266 00:51:50,410 --> 00:51:47,570 was gone for that whole weekend and so 1267 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:50,420 he he couldn't have been a witness so it 1268 00:51:55,870 --> 00:51:52,250 sounds like sort of something something 1269 00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:55,880 similar happened to you as well they 1270 00:51:59,859 --> 00:51:58,160 actually changed your records that well 1271 00:52:03,070 --> 00:51:59,869 they no they alter my records because 1272 00:52:04,690 --> 00:52:03,080 that's why they denied my claim but the 1273 00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:04,700 interesting thing was Sarah Kane's 1274 00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:06,530 office was able to finally get that 1275 00:52:10,060 --> 00:52:08,480 change but then here comes the problem 1276 00:52:11,980 --> 00:52:10,070 now they still won't do anything or 1277 00:52:15,340 --> 00:52:11,990 answer anything about my medical records 1278 00:52:16,900 --> 00:52:15,350 so and that's still going and we'll see 1279 00:52:17,890 --> 00:52:16,910 how it goes but I wanted to go into the 1280 00:52:20,380 --> 00:52:17,900 FOIA when 1281 00:52:21,850 --> 00:52:20,390 when when I talked to Nick we'll let him 1282 00:52:23,500 --> 00:52:21,860 know that this was going on I was going 1283 00:52:25,390 --> 00:52:23,510 to release a press release he gave me an 1284 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:25,400 interesting quote quote he said I know 1285 00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:27,050 for sure that not everything has been 1286 00:52:31,690 --> 00:52:28,850 released because by the mo D's on a 1287 00:52:32,500 --> 00:52:31,700 mission some files documents is no big 1288 00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:32,510 deal right 1289 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:34,910 then I went in to one other thing I 1290 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:38,090 asked them okay alright I asked him why 1291 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:41,570 because Condon came out and a lot of 1292 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:43,610 researchers will look at them and they 1293 00:52:48,370 --> 00:52:46,130 blew it off they go into it and it's 1294 00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:48,380 just now just now people are starting to 1295 00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:50,480 get with my work and some of the things 1296 00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:51,920 Nick's talked about maybe we need to go 1297 00:52:57,220 --> 00:52:54,800 back and readjust this oh and the thing 1298 00:52:59,620 --> 00:52:57,230 is is Nick says Nick fields in relation 1299 00:53:02,680 --> 00:52:59,630 to media process contact Robert ran 12 1300 00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:02,690 460 pages and busy journalist working on 1301 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:04,310 tight deadlines showing enough time to 1302 00:53:08,830 --> 00:53:06,050 wade through such vast amounts of 1303 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:08,840 material this this leads to what's 1304 00:53:13,870 --> 00:53:12,050 fairly known tricky within governments 1305 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:13,880 when you have to release it go because 1306 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:15,650 of the freedom of Frank's buried the 1307 00:53:20,050 --> 00:53:17,810 embarrassing being it's deep in a link 1308 00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:20,060 to report and put your key messages up 1309 00:53:23,890 --> 00:53:21,920 front in the executive summary are 1310 00:53:25,870 --> 00:53:23,900 better still in a covering press release 1311 00:53:28,060 --> 00:53:25,880 or an attention-getting quote the 1312 00:53:30,100 --> 00:53:28,070 chances are that's what a lot of media 1313 00:53:31,420 --> 00:53:30,110 outlets will run with material is thus 1314 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:31,430 hidden in plain sight 1315 00:53:36,910 --> 00:53:34,850 it's a classic example of the old adage 1316 00:53:42,730 --> 00:53:36,920 that the best place to hide a book is in 1317 00:53:47,250 --> 00:53:42,740 the library George so Bernie Vatican 1318 00:53:51,810 --> 00:53:49,290 I say he's a fence that her you know and 1319 00:53:53,700 --> 00:53:51,820 even in my presentation advice you know 1320 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:53,710 he sits on the fence he still is on 1321 00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:56,170 pension for me a body gas to be careful 1322 00:54:00,810 --> 00:53:58,960 because he had no stomach I can talk 1323 00:54:10,170 --> 00:54:00,820 about but even he's telling everybody 1324 00:54:12,060 --> 00:54:10,180 look you know there's no show but 1325 00:54:13,740 --> 00:54:12,070 they're holding stuff back on the whole 1326 00:54:15,930 --> 00:54:13,750 thing you know there's a lot more to 1327 00:54:17,370 --> 00:54:15,940 this and maybe people need to take a 1328 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:17,380 little more time to look at this and not 1329 00:54:21,180 --> 00:54:18,970 scan through something oh it's no big 1330 00:54:23,900 --> 00:54:21,190 deal so that was the points I wanted to 1331 00:54:26,580 --> 00:54:23,910 make so I'd be happy to answer questions 1332 00:54:28,740 --> 00:54:26,590 wait okay cuz we've got a bunch here 1333 00:54:30,570 --> 00:54:28,750 thanks so much for clearing that episode 1334 00:54:34,380 --> 00:54:30,580 I mean it's also interesting I wish we 1335 00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:34,390 hadn't got a late start but you know get 1336 00:54:39,330 --> 00:54:36,180 several people I asked about the 1337 00:54:40,740 --> 00:54:39,340 possibility of missing time and and I 1338 00:54:41,490 --> 00:54:40,750 guess you're talking about especially on 1339 00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:41,500 that first night 1340 00:54:46,110 --> 00:54:43,510 certainly there was 45 minutes that you 1341 00:54:48,330 --> 00:54:46,120 said you could not account for well that 1342 00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:48,340 came up partly too because when they 1343 00:54:53,940 --> 00:54:51,250 were when they were when we were out 1344 00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:53,950 there what happened was that they 1345 00:54:58,170 --> 00:54:56,410 couldn't get in contact with us when Jim 1346 00:55:00,360 --> 00:54:58,180 and I came back from being out in the 1347 00:55:04,410 --> 00:55:00,370 fields we both noticed that our watches 1348 00:55:06,420 --> 00:55:04,420 were 45 minutes slow so yeah there 1349 00:55:08,190 --> 00:55:06,430 appears to be missing time and when you 1350 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:08,200 have an interaction with this phenomena 1351 00:55:15,410 --> 00:55:10,810 part of the experience of having it with 1352 00:55:18,540 --> 00:55:15,420 it involves missing time so your watch 1353 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:18,550 actually miss time also 1354 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:21,690 well yeah was slow it was 45 yeah 1355 00:55:28,260 --> 00:55:24,970 interesting I'm in what about the idea 1356 00:55:29,700 --> 00:55:28,270 that time travel might have been 1357 00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:29,710 involved I think we mentioned you know 1358 00:55:34,020 --> 00:55:32,110 interdimensional travel is there a 1359 00:55:36,210 --> 00:55:34,030 possibility that it was up you know 1360 00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:36,220 coming back to check ourselves out or 1361 00:55:42,030 --> 00:55:39,730 the warned ourselves or something of 1362 00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:42,040 that nature well what I'll say about 1363 00:55:46,050 --> 00:55:44,530 this and I've been tied down tight I'm 1364 00:55:47,970 --> 00:55:46,060 come in at a time for a bomb now I'm 1365 00:55:50,730 --> 00:55:47,980 committed to the fact that we had 1366 00:55:52,620 --> 00:55:50,740 involved with this phenomena and that I 1367 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:52,630 don't want sure yet I'm still working on 1368 00:55:57,180 --> 00:55:54,490 and I've got some insight into it but I 1369 00:55:58,650 --> 00:55:57,190 haven't got enough to prove it is that 1370 00:56:00,079 --> 00:55:58,660 there was something there we dealt with 1371 00:56:01,549 --> 00:56:00,089 it was a phenomena 1372 00:56:03,679 --> 00:56:01,559 and I'm not sure where it came from or 1373 00:56:06,709 --> 00:56:03,689 what it was but it was and it took place 1374 00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:06,719 um Jim under I know under hypnosis for 1375 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:09,209 sure you know time travel comes up he 1376 00:56:12,439 --> 00:56:10,890 says it's from the future we've got to 1377 00:56:15,259 --> 00:56:12,449 get it right he goes and all that stuff 1378 00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:15,269 but you know the interesting thing is 1379 00:56:20,029 --> 00:56:17,609 this and now all I can say is I think 1380 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:20,039 this is to be determined not only on the 1381 00:56:24,410 --> 00:56:22,650 binder itself but the possibility of 1382 00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:24,420 time travel and I talked about this over 1383 00:56:27,799 --> 00:56:26,160 the weekend and I keep forgetting what 1384 00:56:30,620 --> 00:56:27,809 the movie is there's a movie that was 1385 00:56:31,939 --> 00:56:30,630 done that was done in 1980 a matter of 1386 00:56:33,650 --> 00:56:31,949 fact it's pretty strange but it was 1387 00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:33,660 about a nuclear aircraft carrier and 1388 00:56:37,969 --> 00:56:36,209 what this carrier did was go back in 1389 00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:37,979 time and went through an anomaly and 1390 00:56:41,870 --> 00:56:40,319 what they did was it was the Nimitz and 1391 00:56:43,370 --> 00:56:41,880 they used this and it was a well it was 1392 00:56:44,989 --> 00:56:43,380 a good movie and a lot of people knew 1393 00:56:46,479 --> 00:56:44,999 what I was talking about what I wanted 1394 00:56:48,529 --> 00:56:46,489 people to stop and think about was this 1395 00:56:50,209 --> 00:56:48,539 let's forget about the anomaly now 1396 00:56:51,469 --> 00:56:50,219 whether I can or can't happen whether in 1397 00:56:53,329 --> 00:56:51,479 the future we'll have it it's going on 1398 00:56:54,799 --> 00:56:53,339 now but the interesting thing about the 1399 00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:54,809 part of the movie - caught my attention 1400 00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:56,130 was besides some other things was the 1401 00:57:00,199 --> 00:56:58,079 fact that just something going back from 1402 00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:00,209 1980 in 1940 because we went back to 1403 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:02,130 write is Pearl Harbor was happening how 1404 00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:04,890 the people in 1941 or night you know 94 1405 00:57:09,739 --> 00:57:07,920 I'm sorry observed this technology there 1406 00:57:11,660 --> 00:57:09,749 was only 40 years difference and the 1407 00:57:13,519 --> 00:57:11,670 fact that aircraft carrier alone could 1408 00:57:16,969 --> 00:57:13,529 have defeated it ruled the entire world 1409 00:57:19,459 --> 00:57:16,979 and defeated the Japanese fully on its 1410 00:57:22,699 --> 00:57:19,469 own and that's just something that would 1411 00:57:25,789 --> 00:57:22,709 be a 40-year difference in technology so 1412 00:57:27,919 --> 00:57:25,799 if in fact the time anomalies are 1413 00:57:29,779 --> 00:57:27,929 possible or in the future didn't become 1414 00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:29,789 possible and something from the future 1415 00:57:34,039 --> 00:57:30,689 came back 1416 00:57:35,989 --> 00:57:34,049 it sure would tie in to possibly explain 1417 00:57:37,969 --> 00:57:35,999 someone what happened and you know and 1418 00:57:40,609 --> 00:57:37,979 like I said I only say this about time 1419 00:57:42,769 --> 00:57:40,619 travel is this the gym is more along 1420 00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:42,779 that lines like I said I believe we 1421 00:57:45,919 --> 00:57:44,400 dealt with the phenomena that I'm 1422 00:57:49,489 --> 00:57:45,929 working on Jim's working more on the 1423 00:57:57,719 --> 00:57:53,969 you know you know the the the Jim 1424 00:58:00,089 --> 00:57:57,729 Penniston the binary code this is what 1425 00:58:05,339 --> 00:58:00,099 he said was downloaded in him when he 1426 00:58:09,180 --> 00:58:05,349 touched the craft right right and what 1427 00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:09,190 do you think that it means what does it 1428 00:58:22,859 --> 00:58:19,599 mean some people are tied to crop 1429 00:58:28,380 --> 00:58:22,869 circles for time in ancient times some 1430 00:58:30,900 --> 00:58:28,390 of these sites started you know their 1431 00:58:32,700 --> 00:58:30,910 way back oh there's a guy by the name of 1432 00:58:34,799 --> 00:58:32,710 Gary Osborne is working on this 1433 00:58:37,229 --> 00:58:34,809 unfortunately the part of what he had 1434 00:58:40,049 --> 00:58:37,239 worked on it was gonna go on the book 1435 00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:40,059 didn't take you long they got cut and 1436 00:58:43,709 --> 00:58:42,160 he's gonna put something out later when 1437 00:58:45,749 --> 00:58:43,719 I was hurt and that would help clarify 1438 00:58:47,700 --> 00:58:45,759 some of this but I mean there were 1439 00:58:49,469 --> 00:58:47,710 different sites around the world and 1440 00:58:52,049 --> 00:58:49,479 again I told people were we can give a 1441 00:58:54,059 --> 00:58:52,059 chance you know I mean crazier things 1442 00:58:56,670 --> 00:58:54,069 have happened in this world you know 1443 00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:56,680 that twenty years before like I say go 1444 00:59:01,319 --> 00:58:58,960 back start cracking technology it's the 1445 00:59:03,420 --> 00:59:01,329 sixties they made fun of warp drive and 1446 00:59:05,759 --> 00:59:03,430 stuff they're working a worker there's 1447 00:59:08,219 --> 00:59:05,769 articles out the scientists are working 1448 00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:08,229 on a warp drive which would lead someday 1449 00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:09,609 do it happening I don't know how close 1450 00:59:13,319 --> 00:59:11,920 they are it's all classified but just 1451 00:59:15,479 --> 00:59:13,329 the fact that they're working on it now 1452 00:59:17,069 --> 00:59:15,489 it would have been made fun of it was 1453 00:59:19,109 --> 00:59:17,079 made fun of in the sixties in science 1454 00:59:20,910 --> 00:59:19,119 fiction but now it's possible so who 1455 00:59:24,089 --> 00:59:20,920 knows and I think there's a lot of good 1456 00:59:26,190 --> 00:59:24,099 people and even in time-travel I know 1457 00:59:28,170 --> 00:59:26,200 dr. mal it's working on the possibility 1458 00:59:29,849 --> 00:59:28,180 of time travel and then he's been out in 1459 00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:29,859 the open with that so let's see what 1460 00:59:32,819 --> 00:59:31,569 happens you know give it a chance and 1461 00:59:34,650 --> 00:59:32,829 you know maybe do some more research 1462 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:34,660 before you're so critical on everything 1463 00:59:38,999 --> 00:59:37,690 all the time that's right yes that's 1464 00:59:43,650 --> 00:59:39,009 right there stranger things have 1465 00:59:47,069 --> 00:59:43,660 happened in you know this is something 1466 00:59:51,420 --> 00:59:47,079 like a binary code you know it's so not 1467 00:59:53,729 --> 00:59:51,430 up my alley or area of expertise in any 1468 00:59:56,579 --> 00:59:53,739 way so I have trouble you know 1469 00:59:58,559 --> 00:59:56,589 understanding that but it doesn't mean 1470 01:00:00,839 --> 00:59:58,569 there's not something to it you know so 1471 01:00:02,130 --> 01:00:00,849 I think it's best to keep an open mind 1472 01:00:03,569 --> 01:00:02,140 as much as possible 1473 01:00:05,789 --> 01:00:03,579 I mean part of the problem with this 1474 01:00:08,099 --> 01:00:05,799 case is is that anytime anyone says 1475 01:00:10,500 --> 01:00:08,109 anything that's out of the realms a 1476 01:00:13,349 --> 01:00:10,510 possibility or a little bit to the left 1477 01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:13,359 or right I mean they get attacked I mean 1478 01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:15,130 Larry said beans and they attacked him 1479 01:00:18,750 --> 01:00:17,170 and I tried to explain to him over you 1480 01:00:20,279 --> 01:00:18,760 know when we were over in UK that right 1481 01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:20,289 away beans beans a lies doesn't 1482 01:00:25,140 --> 01:00:21,970 necessarily mean but one of the things 1483 01:00:27,180 --> 01:00:25,150 in the initial CNN report Harbaugh was 1484 01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:27,190 blacked out said we saw something inside 1485 01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:28,690 the blue lights it looked like it could 1486 01:00:33,210 --> 01:00:31,359 be you know you know I don't have my 1487 01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:33,220 don't want to quote exactly what he said 1488 01:00:37,500 --> 01:00:34,480 but he implied it could be in it 1489 01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:37,510 something to do with you know something 1490 01:00:39,930 --> 01:00:39,130 you know which automatically goes right 1491 01:00:41,519 --> 01:00:39,940 back to aliens 1492 01:00:43,380 --> 01:00:41,529 Colonel Hawkes been on the record over 1493 01:00:45,509 --> 01:00:43,390 the past year saying we're not alone and 1494 01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:45,519 you know what they dealt with an 1495 01:00:50,609 --> 01:00:48,250 intelligent control that was et based so 1496 01:00:52,380 --> 01:00:50,619 you know you know as soon as you go into 1497 01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:52,390 certain areas like this you get attacked 1498 01:00:57,150 --> 01:00:54,730 right away you know well when I learned 1499 01:01:00,480 --> 01:00:57,160 Larry talked about it he even in old 1500 01:01:03,329 --> 01:01:00,490 recordings he usually says people I saw 1501 01:01:05,490 --> 01:01:03,339 these people you know or something you 1502 01:01:09,569 --> 01:01:05,500 know he images I don't know what it is 1503 01:01:11,460 --> 01:01:09,579 you know he doesn't call them aliens he 1504 01:01:14,220 --> 01:01:11,470 doesn't say that they're from outer 1505 01:01:21,509 --> 01:01:14,230 space or another planet or anything he 1506 01:01:23,359 --> 01:01:21,519 says I just know what I saw you the 1507 01:01:26,730 --> 01:01:23,369 scientific and technical memorandum 1508 01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:26,740 explains why that's possible and again I 1509 01:01:31,499 --> 01:01:28,930 mean over the weekend Richard Dolan saw 1510 01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:31,509 my work and he never he admitted he 1511 01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:33,910 never had looked at these papers you 1512 01:01:38,999 --> 01:01:36,250 know I mean so this has been overlooked 1513 01:01:40,829 --> 01:01:39,009 and the interesting thing is it's time 1514 01:01:43,009 --> 01:01:40,839 to take a closer look at the report and 1515 01:01:45,210 --> 01:01:43,019 hold a Modi in the American government 1516 01:01:47,490 --> 01:01:45,220 responsible for this because there's a 1517 01:01:50,609 --> 01:01:47,500 lot of answers in this and like I said 1518 01:01:53,099 --> 01:01:50,619 I've got him right now released 1519 01:01:55,740 --> 01:01:53,109 everything so what is it is it 18 files 1520 01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:55,750 because they initially said five then I 1521 01:01:59,880 --> 01:01:57,250 went after harder and they said there's 1522 01:02:00,990 --> 01:01:59,890 more then they eventually got to 18 well 1523 01:02:02,460 --> 01:02:01,000 what the hell is that 1524 01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:02,470 are they really hiding back and what do 1525 01:02:06,779 --> 01:02:05,049 they know but ultimately it leads down 1526 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:06,789 to what they feel is nice to security 1527 01:02:09,509 --> 01:02:07,930 even though it's not out of defense 1528 01:02:11,430 --> 01:02:09,519 significance because they're all trying 1529 01:02:13,170 --> 01:02:11,440 to weaponize it and you know what 1530 01:02:15,749 --> 01:02:13,180 weapons no matter how you spin it 1531 01:02:17,370 --> 01:02:15,759 they're used against other people and 1532 01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:17,380 why don't we ever make it to the point 1533 01:02:24,599 --> 01:02:20,649 where we stop doing that oh I don't know 1534 01:02:27,679 --> 01:02:24,609 don't get me started on that one because 1535 01:02:30,989 --> 01:02:27,689 that is I I don't understand I mean 1536 01:02:33,209 --> 01:02:30,999 hopefully you know it does seem like 1537 01:02:35,489 --> 01:02:33,219 some people are evolving but you know 1538 01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:35,499 obviously there's so many wars and crazy 1539 01:02:39,749 --> 01:02:37,839 stuff going on around the world that 1540 01:02:40,249 --> 01:02:39,759 everybody's not getting it that's for 1541 01:02:43,559 --> 01:02:40,259 sure 1542 01:02:47,519 --> 01:02:43,569 but let's see how about another question 1543 01:02:52,049 --> 01:02:47,529 from the crowd here I think there's one 1544 01:02:54,479 --> 01:02:52,059 kind of got answered did any of the 1545 01:02:56,579 --> 01:02:54,489 witnesses for physical ailments or other 1546 01:02:59,579 --> 01:02:56,589 noticeable changes after that night well 1547 01:03:03,749 --> 01:02:59,589 you talked about your heart problems 1548 01:03:06,269 --> 01:03:03,759 what about other people and also where I 1549 01:03:09,269 --> 01:03:06,279 was more interested in almost in any 1550 01:03:13,799 --> 01:03:09,279 physical problems that you might have 1551 01:03:16,939 --> 01:03:13,809 had was any changes and you know your 1552 01:03:19,649 --> 01:03:16,949 psychological state or even in your own 1553 01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:19,659 understanding you know of your own 1554 01:03:24,389 --> 01:03:22,089 philosophy your own ideas and philosophy 1555 01:03:26,699 --> 01:03:24,399 did those kinds of things change these 1556 01:03:27,299 --> 01:03:26,709 things do you think they've changed your 1557 01:03:29,249 --> 01:03:27,309 life 1558 01:03:30,839 --> 01:03:29,259 obviously you're still talking about it 1559 01:03:35,669 --> 01:03:30,849 there is some ideas later 1560 01:03:38,399 --> 01:03:35,679 I mean to be honest early on I mean I 1561 01:03:39,989 --> 01:03:38,409 would say it didn't change my life that 1562 01:03:43,649 --> 01:03:39,999 much other than I started not feeling 1563 01:03:45,389 --> 01:03:43,659 well I had some issues but I mean I kind 1564 01:03:48,479 --> 01:03:45,399 of left it alone I mean when the memo 1565 01:03:50,729 --> 01:03:48,489 got released you know I did change my 1566 01:03:52,979 --> 01:03:50,739 life but I went on with it I you know 1567 01:03:55,439 --> 01:03:52,989 retired from the Air Force you know I'm 1568 01:03:57,749 --> 01:03:55,449 you know I have a child you know I have 1569 01:03:59,099 --> 01:03:57,759 you know actually I have two stepkids 1570 01:04:01,889 --> 01:03:59,109 and then I got married I have two 1571 01:04:04,349 --> 01:04:01,899 stepkids in in the child coming Kayden 1572 01:04:06,779 --> 01:04:04,359 you know that's you know was born you 1573 01:04:09,149 --> 01:04:06,789 know but Elm what I'm getting at is is I 1574 01:04:11,309 --> 01:04:09,159 went on my life but as years went by you 1575 01:04:11,969 --> 01:04:11,319 start hearing more about it and all this 1576 01:04:16,439 --> 01:04:11,979 other stuff 1577 01:04:18,029 --> 01:04:16,449 um you start to hear people do these 1578 01:04:19,529 --> 01:04:18,039 things that you're like no that isn't 1579 01:04:21,089 --> 01:04:19,539 right this isn't right now they don't 1580 01:04:23,069 --> 01:04:21,099 know what they're talking about you know 1581 01:04:25,199 --> 01:04:23,079 and then my physical condition has 1582 01:04:26,759 --> 01:04:25,209 gotten worse and then the more I look at 1583 01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:26,769 this the more I get into it yeah I'm 1584 01:04:29,009 --> 01:04:28,569 thinking I'm having a more understanding 1585 01:04:31,889 --> 01:04:29,019 on 1586 01:04:33,539 --> 01:04:31,899 life itself and you know and what 1587 01:04:37,169 --> 01:04:33,549 happened to us so yeah it's it's 1588 01:04:41,939 --> 01:04:37,179 affected me you know is it effective way 1589 01:04:46,579 --> 01:04:41,949 you look at just sort of the the family 1590 01:04:50,759 --> 01:04:46,589 is man at all did you feel more akin to 1591 01:04:54,329 --> 01:04:50,769 other humans of every race and belief in 1592 01:04:59,519 --> 01:04:54,339 ethnicity because there seems to be this 1593 01:05:01,889 --> 01:04:59,529 other going on or you know I was it what 1594 01:05:04,199 --> 01:05:01,899 was it Regan it said something about you 1595 01:05:06,469 --> 01:05:04,209 know with we would all pull together if 1596 01:05:08,149 --> 01:05:06,479 we came under attack from 1597 01:05:11,069 --> 01:05:08,159 extraterrestrials or something like that 1598 01:05:14,639 --> 01:05:11,079 did you have any feeling like that 1599 01:05:20,279 --> 01:05:14,649 they're like sort of a more of a sense 1600 01:05:23,759 --> 01:05:20,289 of belonging to the human family well 1601 01:05:25,380 --> 01:05:23,769 it's an experiment no I mean it's an 1602 01:05:27,779 --> 01:05:25,390 interesting question but I mean I don't 1603 01:05:29,579 --> 01:05:27,789 think most people do that you know I 1604 01:05:32,699 --> 01:05:29,589 think they just try to survive day by 1605 01:05:35,999 --> 01:05:32,709 day and you know the thing is is that I 1606 01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:36,009 I do see Society going down a dangerous 1607 01:05:42,349 --> 01:05:39,130 path and I mean it 1608 01:05:44,729 --> 01:05:42,359 it's scary where we're going I mean I 1609 01:05:46,949 --> 01:05:44,739 I've kind of talked about a little bit 1610 01:05:48,749 --> 01:05:46,959 there's a song out by Johnny Cash going 1611 01:05:52,169 --> 01:05:48,759 by the book in its revelations 1612 01:05:53,699 --> 01:05:52,179 revelations kind of describes where 1613 01:05:54,839 --> 01:05:53,709 things are supposed to end up where 1614 01:05:56,459 --> 01:05:54,849 we're gonna go and how it's going to 1615 01:05:58,259 --> 01:05:56,469 happen and if you really look at 1616 01:05:59,639 --> 01:05:58,269 revelations you know I don't understand 1617 01:06:02,009 --> 01:05:59,649 it totally but we're kind of hitting in 1618 01:06:03,749 --> 01:06:02,019 that path right now and I don't 1619 01:06:06,269 --> 01:06:03,759 understand why why we have to live by 1620 01:06:09,509 --> 01:06:06,279 something that was written totally but 1621 01:06:11,099 --> 01:06:09,519 in if you probably broke down society as 1622 01:06:12,959 --> 01:06:11,109 a whole in the different you know groups 1623 01:06:14,639 --> 01:06:12,969 different countries you know and all 1624 01:06:16,259 --> 01:06:14,649 that other stuff most people don't 1625 01:06:18,359 --> 01:06:16,269 really understand why we're fighting 1626 01:06:20,609 --> 01:06:18,369 each other but they're told that they're 1627 01:06:23,370 --> 01:06:20,619 supposed to so it happens and they go 1628 01:06:25,139 --> 01:06:23,380 along with it and stuff and I don't know 1629 01:06:26,279 --> 01:06:25,149 where we're going and I don't like where 1630 01:06:28,379 --> 01:06:26,289 it's going I don't like the way the 1631 01:06:30,959 --> 01:06:28,389 Earth's is being you know is falling 1632 01:06:32,249 --> 01:06:30,969 apart you know and and the fact that 1633 01:06:33,899 --> 01:06:32,259 we're getting ready to possibly have a 1634 01:06:36,089 --> 01:06:33,909 war I don't know if we are for sure but 1635 01:06:38,399 --> 01:06:36,099 it sure is leading up to that and of 1636 01:06:39,659 --> 01:06:38,409 course a lot of people say that's the 1637 01:06:41,669 --> 01:06:39,669 middle east is where it's all going to 1638 01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:41,679 end so you know I don't like where we're 1639 01:06:45,900 --> 01:06:42,490 going and 1640 01:06:47,790 --> 01:06:45,910 I don't I don't think I don't know 1641 01:06:49,140 --> 01:06:47,800 people I don't think people understand 1642 01:06:50,670 --> 01:06:49,150 why we're going that way and it just 1643 01:06:53,010 --> 01:06:50,680 seems to select small group of people 1644 01:06:57,750 --> 01:06:53,020 are controlling everything and I don't 1645 01:07:01,200 --> 01:06:57,760 think that's right either and do you 1646 01:07:04,910 --> 01:07:01,210 think that the advance were controlled 1647 01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:04,920 at night by people I mean certainly not 1648 01:07:10,380 --> 01:07:07,090 possibly all the events that were going 1649 01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:10,390 on but the involvement of those that 1650 01:07:18,030 --> 01:07:13,330 were there Larry 1651 01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:18,040 Warren seems to think it expressed to me 1652 01:07:22,650 --> 01:07:19,450 that you know nobody was here by 1653 01:07:27,090 --> 01:07:22,660 accident and he feels like it was sort 1654 01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:27,100 of planned who was there by possibly 1655 01:07:30,420 --> 01:07:28,450 things that have happened to people in 1656 01:07:32,490 --> 01:07:30,430 their earlier lives and I can only guess 1657 01:07:35,310 --> 01:07:32,500 because he didn't say it that he was 1658 01:07:40,500 --> 01:07:35,320 talking about you know I know at a young 1659 01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:40,510 age he had observed a UFO or something 1660 01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:41,680 like they had some sort of experience 1661 01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:44,050 like that and lived in a house it was 1662 01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:47,170 supposed to be haunted so do you think 1663 01:07:54,090 --> 01:07:51,730 that people were assembled to be at that 1664 01:07:59,790 --> 01:07:54,100 particular place do you feel like you 1665 01:08:02,190 --> 01:07:59,800 were sort of chosen I mean I mean the 1666 01:08:03,780 --> 01:08:02,200 first night I don't think so I think if 1667 01:08:06,900 --> 01:08:03,790 anything this is what I'm working 1668 01:08:10,170 --> 01:08:06,910 towards I think that the meteor activity 1669 01:08:12,210 --> 01:08:10,180 I think the the area itself the 1670 01:08:13,980 --> 01:08:12,220 phenomenon was known to be in that area 1671 01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:13,990 and meteor activity can trigger some of 1672 01:08:18,329 --> 01:08:16,690 this um I think our government was well 1673 01:08:20,249 --> 01:08:18,339 aware of this there was an area in there 1674 01:08:22,380 --> 01:08:20,259 because even Amod have people down there 1675 01:08:24,059 --> 01:08:22,390 looking at it so could they have been 1676 01:08:26,010 --> 01:08:24,069 working on something knowing something 1677 01:08:28,110 --> 01:08:26,020 could occur and all that yes do I think 1678 01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:28,120 they expected us to show up out there no 1679 01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:31,600 um it was a it was just the freak thing 1680 01:08:35,519 --> 01:08:33,279 that we were where we were and we saw 1681 01:08:36,780 --> 01:08:35,529 something and the funny thing is it may 1682 01:08:38,220 --> 01:08:36,790 have been seen the next night of the 1683 01:08:40,410 --> 01:08:38,230 night after I'm not saying it would but 1684 01:08:44,490 --> 01:08:40,420 on our night if we hadn't been down at 1685 01:08:46,019 --> 01:08:44,500 the gate when we were probably we never 1686 01:08:47,039 --> 01:08:46,029 would have reported it and we never 1687 01:08:48,450 --> 01:08:47,049 would have been involved 1688 01:08:50,099 --> 01:08:48,460 could they have seen something a second 1689 01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:50,109 a third night maybe but because of the 1690 01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:51,730 first night they were obviously watching 1691 01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:53,410 the second of their night which they saw 1692 01:08:55,980 --> 01:08:55,330 something for sure so we may never have 1693 01:08:57,960 --> 01:08:55,990 known 1694 01:08:59,310 --> 01:08:57,970 do I think that some of us may have been 1695 01:09:01,290 --> 01:08:59,320 naturally drawn out there because what 1696 01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:01,300 Larry says it's very possible that 1697 01:09:04,860 --> 01:09:03,040 something that happened prior could have 1698 01:09:06,570 --> 01:09:04,870 led you out there I mean even I went out 1699 01:09:08,460 --> 01:09:06,580 there another time I was one of the few 1700 01:09:10,020 --> 01:09:08,470 some ball was out there twice he's been 1701 01:09:11,460 --> 01:09:10,030 said I was the only one with some boss 1702 01:09:14,010 --> 01:09:11,470 who was out to the second or third night 1703 01:09:16,110 --> 01:09:14,020 but he was out to kill on duty I went 1704 01:09:17,970 --> 01:09:16,120 out there once off-duty but I don't know 1705 01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:17,980 I mean that stuff I'm kind of looking at 1706 01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:20,530 but it's you know and I understand Larry 1707 01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:22,090 had an experience earlier so that would 1708 01:09:24,930 --> 01:09:23,290 make him feel that way more and I don't 1709 01:09:27,300 --> 01:09:24,940 disagree with it but I don't ever 1710 01:09:29,970 --> 01:09:27,310 remember an experience prior to this you 1711 01:09:32,490 --> 01:09:29,980 know so I don't know but it is something 1712 01:09:36,930 --> 01:09:32,500 to look at it's good question right 1713 01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:36,940 I don't know for sure I mean so yeah 1714 01:09:41,730 --> 01:09:39,310 it's just all you know what would sound 1715 01:09:44,250 --> 01:09:41,740 it's a very very end of the show and I 1716 01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:44,260 and I had meant to get this question in 1717 01:09:49,890 --> 01:09:48,250 earlier someone had asked about the if 1718 01:09:51,870 --> 01:09:49,900 you could clear up the idea of the 1719 01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:51,880 lighthouse there was a lighthouse nearby 1720 01:09:58,830 --> 01:09:54,850 and I know that people that were trying 1721 01:10:01,530 --> 01:09:58,840 to close his story tried to say oh they 1722 01:10:04,860 --> 01:10:01,540 were just looking at the lighthouse but 1723 01:10:06,540 --> 01:10:04,870 it seems that so much occurred that it 1724 01:10:08,580 --> 01:10:06,550 couldn't possibly have been there could 1725 01:10:16,020 --> 01:10:08,590 you explain just real quickly we're down 1726 01:10:18,180 --> 01:10:16,030 to the last two minutes I'm sorry what 1727 01:10:19,290 --> 01:10:18,190 we saw where we were at the beginning we 1728 01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:19,300 weren't even in the area where you could 1729 01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:21,130 see the lighthouse we went out further 1730 01:10:26,250 --> 01:10:24,880 on to see if we could re you know 1731 01:10:28,590 --> 01:10:26,260 identify you know as far as we 1732 01:10:30,210 --> 01:10:28,600 established what we saw in my statement 1733 01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:30,220 I say we went past farmer's house we saw 1734 01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:31,570 a beacon we father identified his 1735 01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:33,130 lighthouse but at no time what we 1736 01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:35,170 encountered earlier was the lighthouse 1737 01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:38,050 the second night that's all you know the 1738 01:10:41,610 --> 01:10:39,760 second main night which was Colonel Hall 1739 01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:41,620 tonight on his tape he talks about it 1740 01:10:45,870 --> 01:10:43,810 being like coming down his feet you know 1741 01:10:49,500 --> 01:10:45,880 I don't know and the last but not least 1742 01:10:51,060 --> 01:10:49,510 in the mo D documents okay they talked 1743 01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:51,070 about this and I said this was the only 1744 01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:52,480 thing they really talked about this is 1745 01:10:56,580 --> 01:10:54,250 the well reported Rendlesham forest 1746 01:10:59,010 --> 01:10:56,590 so I spent waters event is an example 1747 01:11:00,960 --> 01:10:59,020 where it might be postulated the several 1748 01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:00,970 jurors will probably expose the European 1749 01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:03,520 relation for longer than normal you ap 1750 01:11:07,530 --> 01:11:05,290 signing periods now 1751 01:11:11,010 --> 01:11:07,540 to say anything about the lighthouse no 1752 01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:11,020 it's a UAP that we were exposed to so I 1753 01:11:16,710 --> 01:11:12,640 think that throws the lighthouse down 1754 01:11:18,420 --> 01:11:16,720 the toilet you know you know am i 1755 01:11:20,340 --> 01:11:18,430 hypnosis one of the interesting things 1756 01:11:22,980 --> 01:11:20,350 as a person that was involved in the 1757 01:11:25,890 --> 01:11:22,990 lighthouse theory said my hypnosis was 1758 01:11:27,150 --> 01:11:25,900 real and I didn't talk about a craft 1759 01:11:29,370 --> 01:11:27,160 you're right I did and I talked about 1760 01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:29,380 life it's all I ever said my statement 1761 01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:31,090 and everything but then when you go 1762 01:11:34,410 --> 01:11:32,530 deeper into my hypnosis what you're 1763 01:11:36,270 --> 01:11:34,420 going to post later it's just some other 1764 01:11:37,740 --> 01:11:36,280 interesting things and again nothing 1765 01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:37,750 about the lighthouse so if he's gonna 1766 01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:39,760 stake his reputation on the background 1767 01:11:48,300 --> 01:11:41,890 man how can they then turn around and 1768 01:11:52,220 --> 01:11:48,310 then still stick with - yeah yeah so 1769 01:11:58,230 --> 01:11:52,230 yeah I was watching that old Semien 1770 01:12:01,560 --> 01:11:58,240 special on on YouTube today about about 1771 01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:01,570 it and I think that kind of explained it 1772 01:12:05,610 --> 01:12:03,610 pretty well you know how it could not 1773 01:12:07,740 --> 01:12:05,620 have been alive now I mean there's 1774 01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:07,750 possible just being a lie 1775 01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:09,130 first could have been in the lighthouse 1776 01:12:19,860 --> 01:12:13,330 but didn't move you know it just 1777 01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:19,870 impossible I mean any point in time did 1778 01:12:22,890 --> 01:12:21,370 Colonel Hall on the third night that's 1779 01:12:25,380 --> 01:12:22,900 where he really tries to attack and 1780 01:12:26,700 --> 01:12:25,390 David Clarke did - was did they maybe 1781 01:12:29,310 --> 01:12:26,710 see the blinker light house whenever 1782 01:12:30,570 --> 01:12:29,320 moving around maybe but you know how 1783 01:12:32,430 --> 01:12:30,580 long does it take you to look at 1784 01:12:34,980 --> 01:12:32,440 something and figure out what it is not 1785 01:12:37,170 --> 01:12:34,990 very long I mean you know I'm saying you 1786 01:12:40,110 --> 01:12:37,180 would you would it wasn't what we saw 1787 01:12:41,790 --> 01:12:40,120 and I went back there since and have 1788 01:12:43,710 --> 01:12:41,800 looked at the lighthouse when it was 1789 01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:43,720 blinking and I wouldn't take him very 1790 01:12:48,300 --> 01:12:45,520 long to figure it out and the only 1791 01:12:50,100 --> 01:12:48,310 reason why I took longer for us is we 1792 01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:50,110 were farther to the right and we saw the 1793 01:12:54,510 --> 01:12:52,960 beacon and in when I say the beacon when 1794 01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:54,520 I say we confirmed it was a lighthouse 1795 01:12:59,610 --> 01:12:57,010 it looked like lighthouse but I wasn't 1796 01:13:01,560 --> 01:12:59,620 familiar totally with you know seeing 1797 01:13:03,090 --> 01:13:01,570 all I asked up close but when we got on 1798 01:13:04,980 --> 01:13:03,100 top of the hill and looked down it was 1799 01:13:07,170 --> 01:13:04,990 lighthouse but that was nothing that we 1800 01:13:08,580 --> 01:13:07,180 seen we were going out there further to 1801 01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:08,590 look at the area to see if we could 1802 01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:11,410 reconnect with what we had with her so 1803 01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:12,970 in the lighthouses don't go up and down 1804 01:13:17,810 --> 01:13:14,010 and shoot beams 1805 01:13:19,730 --> 01:13:17,820 that so know that I think you absolutely 1806 01:13:22,130 --> 01:13:19,740 did and thank you so much John Burroughs 1807 01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:22,140 and witness to the what's now called 1808 01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:24,480 RFID render supports incident in 1809 01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:27,120 December of 1980 sorry we couldn't have 1810 01:13:30,110 --> 01:13:28,560 Larry on that we're gonna get him on one